Another wonderful healing technique?

[Morris Cod]

Has anybody heard of, or know anything about this technique?

My daughter has a teacher at school, telling her and her classmates how brilliant it is, I thought rather than just dismiss it outright, I would seek the skeptic point of view.

Personally it seems a bit sus to me.

http://www.horstech.com.au

(Hopefully this link works! If not chuck us a few tips!)

 

[CFLarsen]

The Horstmann Technique is a bodywork therapy consisting of Ileosacral Release (for hip and lower back problems), Arm & Shoulder Release and Foot Release processes. The Horstmann Technique was developed in the mid 1990s by Australian Natural Therapist, Trish Trowbridge.

Horstmann was Trish's birth name. After more than ten years of practicing a variety of Natural Therapies including Remedial Massage and Herbal Medicine she had a Near-death experience in November 1991 which left her with expanded intuitive and visionary abilities akin to those of the famous American Edgar Cayce, the so-called "sleeping Prophet". The Ileosacral was the first technique which she accessed in a transpersonal vision in 1995. It remains the core therapy of the many she has since brought to the world.

Ten years of "Natural Therapies"?

A Near-Death Experience?

"Expanded intuitive"?

An Australian Edgar Cayce?

...........*plonk*

 

[Dr Adequate]

After more than ten years of practicing a variety of Natural Therapies including Remedial Massage and Herbal Medicine she had a Near-death experience in November 1991 which left her with expanded intuitive and visionary abilities akin to those of the famous American Edgar Cayce, the so-called "sleeping Prophet". The Ileosacral was the first technique which she accessed in a transpersonal vision in 1995. It remains the core therapy of the many she has since brought to the world...

In 1996, within months of completing her clinical testing of the technique on herself and many clients in the small NSW rural village of Crookwell where she lived, Trish began seeing many people for therapy sessions in Sydney.

So... given what I've quoted, how long did this clinical testing take?

Also:

Can she put a figure on the word "many"?

Were any of the tests double-blind?

What procedures does she consider "clinical"?

 

[Morris Cod]

Sheesh.....

Sometimes in our town, a local masseuse will crashland at barbeques in a state of inebriation, claiming to be a master of Horstmann.
He then goes about "healing" anybody unfortunate enough to be in his path.

It's winter here, but I have the sudden urge to fill the gas bottle and buy a bootful of sausages, and see if he turns up.

I could use a laugh.

On a serious note, I am getting a little cheesed off with the teachers at my daughters school, it's not the first time stuff of this nature has been mooted.

 

[Zep]

If they do turn up, get them to diagnose a perfectly well person without telling them anything in advance. See if they can find any "defects". Invariably they will, and will then offer to correct them too...for money. At which point the invitation to take an extended perambulation on an abbreviated waterside embarkation point should be extended.

 

[Skepiroth]

What a fool I was. Before, I thought that my back/knee pains were the results of years of doing jiu jitsu, crappy college matresses, and falling asleep on the couch w/ no pillow after having too much to drink. Now I realize that I actualy suffer from disharmony caused by blockages in my body's subtle energy system!

 

[Luke T.]

We all have old emotional and psychological patterns formed in childhood which can sabotage us as adults.
These programmes are held unconsciously in our body tissues and our cellular memory.

 

[Skepiroth]

quote:We all have old emotional and psychological patterns formed in childhood which can sabotage us as adults.
These programmes are held unconsciously in our body tissues and our cellular memory.

[sarcasm] What's to laugh about? The existance of emotions and psychological patterns formed in childhood that mess w/ us when we grow up have been "proven" by psychology.

Furthermore, there are scientists at the NIH doing research on cellular memory theory. Check it out

You don't see how this random alignment of theories somehow proves that we have some sort of subtle energy system in our bodies which makes us predisposed to sickness or health [/sarcasm]

 

[Mojo]

My daughter has a teacher at school, telling her and her classmates how brilliant it is...

Just wondering, what subject was this teacher supposed to be teaching?

 

[Skepiroth]

Re: Re: Another wonderful healing technique?

Just wondering, what subject was this teacher supposed to be teaching?

Please don't be science, please don't be science, please don't be science...

 

[Z]

Just another example of (potential) faith healing dressed up in the robes of science.

I would have far less problem with homeopaths, chi therapists, etc. if they would just admit that what they do is magic/faith/etc. Don't try to dress it up as valid medicine; show it for what it is. If it occasionally works, wonderful; but it ought to be used, if at all, as a compliment to REAL medicine - which, granted, can't fix everything either; but only because doctors don't know everything yet. They still know a heck of a lot more than faith healers do.

ETA: Of course, they're gonna pretend it's real medicine; people generally don't PAY a lot of money to get potential healing on faith; Medicaide don't pay for faith-healing; etc. etc.

Faith healing + monetary charges = scam.

Easy enough?

 

[delphi_ote]

Has anybody heard of, or know anything about this technique?

My daughter has a teacher at school, telling her and her classmates how brilliant it is, I thought rather than just dismiss it outright, I would seek the skeptic point of view.

Personally it seems a bit sus to me.

http://www.horstech.com.au

(Hopefully this link works! If not chuck us a few tips!)

PLEASE tell me you're going to give this teacher an ear full.

 

[Morris Cod]

Aaaah the teacher.....

He is actually her home class teacher, as in the teacher they see most of the day at school.

These teachers teach most of the basic subjects...YES SCIENCE as well.
He has imposed a few of his other beliefs on the kids,of which I disapprove very strongly.

Your beliefs are your business, but if you think my daughter has to listen to it without questioning it, well......NO

I'm off to see him about this subject on Thursday night.

Should be interesting!

 

[Jas]

Good luck with that!

Incidentally, how old is your daughter? If the teachers are teaching a variety of subjects, I'm guessing that she's quite young.

 

[Morris Cod]

She is 14, but the system of teaching they use in the school, (and most others around here) is a bit of a mystery.

No one is allowed to compete, the bright students get taught down to the level of the slowest.(This is particularly frustrating... Bee is a smart kid, and school is starting to bore her...).

I spend a lot of time with her, teaching her the extra stuff that seems to get left out, but overall I think the education system as it stands here leaves a lot to be desired. The only other alternatives are Christian run schools and Catholic private schools.

Can't see the point there....

The academic levels are'nt much greater, and I wonder what the science classes teach. Goddidit??

Perhaps that's unfair, but as I am leaning towards atheism, it could be a bit hypocritical!

 

[Morris Cod]

Went to see the teacher the other night.......

Asked him about the Horstmann endorsement also a couple of other alternative treatment angles he has introduced to the class.

The reply was that he thought it a good idea to introduce alternatives to the kids as....wait for it....these are legitimate treatments used worldwide etc...

Now, this guy is a good debater, and as I did'nt want to trip over my increasing hostility to his point of view (Steamed Cod, anybody?), I pointed out that a bit of open minded research into his pet subjects might reveal both sides of the argument.

After all, my 14 year old daughter is smart enough to do so, and ask questions, and I would expect at least the same from him.

By now I had worked out that he is into this stuff big time, so I basically said he should Google Horstmann, and see if any of it really makes sense to "Grown Ups", ços it looked like a fairy tale to me, and totally unscientific to boot.

To which he said that I am entitled to my opinion.....
To which I replied "Ï promise not to teach my opinion to YOUR kids"

We'll see what happens next, but this guy is going to be so sick of me, he'll need to take out insurance against a pain in the arse......

 

[Dragonrock]

You might want to take a look at the catholic schools. Some of them are quite good and they normally teach real science. The catholic church's official stance is that Genesis is a legend and that evolution actually happened.

 

[Francois Tremblay]

You might want to take a look at the catholic schools. Some of them are quite good and they normally teach real science. The catholic church's official stance is that Genesis is a legend and that evolution actually happened.

... what a ringing endorsement...

 

[Zep]

Went to see the teacher the other night.......

Asked him about the Horstmann endorsement also a couple of other alternative treatment angles he has introduced to the class.

The reply was that he thought it a good idea to introduce alternatives to the kids as....wait for it....these are legitimate treatments used worldwide etc...

Now, this guy is a good debater, and as I did'nt want to trip over my increasing hostility to his point of view (Steamed Cod, anybody?), I pointed out that a bit of open minded research into his pet subjects might reveal both sides of the argument.

After all, my 14 year old daughter is smart enough to do so, and ask questions, and I would expect at least the same from him.

By now I had worked out that he is into this stuff big time, so I basically said he should Google Horstmann, and see if any of it really makes sense to "Grown Ups", ços it looked like a fairy tale to me, and totally unscientific to boot.

To which he said that I am entitled to my opinion.....
To which I replied "Ï promise not to teach my opinion to YOUR kids"

We'll see what happens next, but this guy is going to be so sick of me, he'll need to take out insurance against a pain in the arse......

If this chap is part of the public education system in Tasmania then he is in SERIOUS trouble if he keeps this up: http://www.education.tas.gov.au/admin/hr/policies/workplaceconduct/hawking.htm
http://www2.education.tas.gov.au/

 

[Jas]

You might want to take a look at the catholic schools. Some of them are quite good and they normally teach real science. The catholic church's official stance is that Genesis is a legend and that evolution actually happened.

I don't know what the Catholic schools teach in your area, but I went to one for elementary, and never heard anything contrary to evolution. In religion, I recall one unit where we had to read numerous essays by various theologians/scholars saying that there was no conflict between genesis & evolution, that genesis was an allegory. I don't recall the 'godditit' thing being pushed too much.

On the other hand, one of the public high schools I went to, had a science teacher (mine, unfortunately), who refused to teach evolution. He got away with it for years, because it was a very mennonite town.

I think it depends on the individual school/principal/instructor, more than anything else.