Another WA Gun Initiative.

[Ranb]

You see, that's why you lot have the reputation you have. To equate the two is ridiculous.

Then why are YOU comparing the two?

Nowhere else in the industrialised world thinks 18, 19, 20 year olds can't be trusted to buy a beer, but can be trusted with a semi-automatic.

I should believe this claim why? From what I've sen online, most of the world allows adults under 21 to drink alcohol. Some of those countries also allow adults to own semi-auto firearms.

Any evidence to support your claim?

Correct. It is like a mass hysteria. An emotion-driven mass madness. I can't fathom why otherwise perfectly sensible people become swivel-eyed loons over the subject of their rights to own weaponry.

So Obama was one of those loons?

 

[Darat]

Who are these leftists?

Boy are the leftists going to be surprised when they find out we are not going to be giving up our guns. The Constitution is very clear, and is on our side.

 

[mikado]

You see, that's why you lot have the reputation you have. To equate the two is ridiculous. Nowhere else in the industrialised world thinks 18, 19, 20 year olds can't be trusted to buy a beer, but can be trusted with a semi-automatic. You, America, are the outlier. It isn't up to the rest of us to explain anything.

Well said.

 

[MikeG]

Then why are YOU comparing the two?


I should believe this claim why? From what I've sen online, most of the world allows adults under 21 to drink alcohol. Some of those countries also allow adults to own semi-auto firearms.

Any evidence to support your claim?


So Obama was one of those loons?

You're going to carry on with this? Well OK, it's not me making myself look ridiculous.

 

[BrooklynBaby]

I have come to the conclusion that Americans simply have no idea of how the rest of the developed world views them.

Do you live in the Wild West ?

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

This applies to the whole country forever, not just flyover country. Power resides with the people, not the government.

 

[BrooklynBaby]

Who are these leftists?

Mostly the two strips along the coasts, along with Dem voters scattered around the country who think socialism (a necessary step to get to communism, according to Marx) is the way to go. You know, where Socialist Bernie Sanders was the 2nd most popular Democrat candidate in the last election and Hillary said she didn't win because she is a Capitalist and most of the Dem voters are Socialists.

The problem isn't with me and my fellow NRA patriots, the problem is with Democrats who don't like America and the Constitution as they are and want to change it to a Venezuela-style government like their hero Hugo Chavez did there. They want a country with no borders, which isn't even a country.

 

[Border Reiver]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

This applies to the whole country forever, not just flyover country. Power resides with the people, not the government.

Except the American government already infringes on the right to "keep and bear arms," unless of course in the interests of legislative purity you want to let convicted felons keep their weapons. In any event - consider these changes to be additional regulations on your militia.

In any event, any of the amendments only apply until the people, acting through their elected representatives change it.

Otherwise, you'd still be trying to figure out which bootlegger was less likely to produce rotgut, how to get your Dr. to prescribe alcohol, or if you could get 10 gallons of wine/per if you claimed to be Jewish and your spouse claimed to be Catholic and you really needed the wine for "spiritual reasons."

 

[ponderingturtle]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Yep we need to disband the Army. Our founders never ment for us to have this crazy standing army and the only solution is to fire them all.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Except the American government already infringes on the right to "keep and bear arms," unless of course in the interests of legislative purity you want to let convicted felons keep their weapons.

Look the constitution is clear, felons are entitled to own nuclear weapons anything else is liberal propaganda.

 

[BrooklynBaby]

Except the American government already infringes on the right to "keep and bear arms," unless of course in the interests of legislative purity you want to let convicted felons keep their weapons. In any event - consider these changes to be additional regulations on your militia.

In any event, any of the amendments only apply until the people, acting through their elected representatives change it.

Otherwise, you'd still be trying to figure out which bootlegger was less likely to produce rotgut, how to get your Dr. to prescribe alcohol, or if you could get 10 gallons of wine/per if you claimed to be Jewish and your spouse claimed to be Catholic and you really needed the wine for "spiritual reasons."

Don't know why you think I'm a convicted felon, but I assure you I could not have passed the background checks to get a carry permit if that were the case.

 

[MikeG]

.........This applies to the whole country forever, not just flyover country. Power resides with the people, not the government.

Yeah, you get to vote. What on earth has guns got to do with this?

 

[mikado]

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

This applies to the whole country forever, not just flyover country. Power resides with the people, not the government.

Makes my original comment seem even more apt.
It's ludicrous.

 

[3point14]

Yep we need to disband the Army. Our founders never ment for us to have this crazy standing army and the only solution is to fire them all.

This is the bit that gets me when people start banging on about the purity of the constitution. Large bits of it are ignored, standing armies exist (which obviate the need for a militia, where does that leave the second?) and my personal favourite, the evisceration of the fourth amendment that allows local authorities to just steal people's stuff with impunity.

I see little agitation on the part of those who have such reverence for the constitution regarding the buggeration of the fourth and literally no-one is talking about disbanding the standing army because it's unconstitutional.

 

[Ranb]

https://ballotpedia.org/Washington_...ge_Requirements_for_Firearms_Initiative_(2018)

I think the ballot summary inadequate. It doesn't say anything about defining all semi-auto rifle as assault weapons. The NRA filed a legal challenge arguing that the ballot title is misleading and inadequate.

 

[Ranb]

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...gulation-measure-off-washington-state-ballot/

Superior Court Judge James Dixon ruled that the formatting of the signature petitions used in the Alliance For Gun Responsibility’s campaign “did not comport” to Washington law.

“Frankly, this court does not struggle with this issue,” said Dixon. The law, he said, requires that petitions “must have a readable, full, true, correct copy of the proposed measure.”

I've read stories about switching signature pages on initiatives. I guess some people thought they were supporting something else. Not sure if any of it is true though.

Previous Washington state court decisions have allowed initiatives with petitions considered flawed to move forward, he said. “We’re confident that the Supreme Court will reverse” the ruling, Wong said.

Not anymore I suppose.

Ranb

 

[Roger Ramjets]

I've read stories about switching signature pages on initiatives. I guess some people thought they were supporting something else. Not sure if any of it is true though.

Who cares if any of it is true? The idea is out there now, so it will soon be a well-known fact!

Not anymore I suppose.

I always cheer when something is thrown out on a technicality.

 

[Stacyhs]

Indeed. The idea that people who are too young to be trusted with a can of beer should be allowed unfettered access to semi-automatics is peculiarly American, and the reaction abroad is a mixture of bemusement, contempt, bewilderment, and sad resignation. However did a society get this twisted up?

That reaction abroad is well founded. I don't understand the "you'll have to pry it out of my cold dead hands" mentality either. And I'm an American born and raised. For me, all that is necessary for any sane, logical person to see that our gun mentality society is whacko is to compare our murder rate to countries that have stricter gun control.

Frankly, much of my own country's thinking is beyond my comprehension.

 

[Ranb]

Who cares if any of it is true? The idea is out there now, so it will soon be a well-known fact!

I don't see why you think that. What I've seen was barely better than a meme.

I always cheer when something is thrown out on a technicality.

According to the judge it seemed to be more than a technicality. But keep on cheering if you wish.

 

[BrooklynBaby]

You do know that in the military guns are very tightly controlled and it isn't even remotely analogous to the kind of concealed and open carry of such weapons that everyone is in favor of?

How about we use more military rules about when you can and can not carry a weapon and then on top of that when you have access to ammo. That would really put an end to this concealed carry BS.

You didn't address my point that either 18 year olds can be trusted with guns or not. My machine gun training in the military consisted of standing on the back of a submarine out at sea and shooting at plastic milk jugs for a minute or two.

 

[BrooklynBaby]

Judge disqualifies Washington gun control initiative:

https://www.breitbart.com/big-gover...squalifies-washington-gun-control-initiative/