Another truther story about WTC7 demolition countdown

[CHF]

Hmmmm.... Maybe listen to the testimony again, perhaps with your ears open this time

OK...

"While we were on the right side, there was firefighters getting ready, they were bussing them back and forth, and a couple of vets that were there - they got the vibe that something was coming down," said McPadden. "We started asking questions, everybody started asking questions, and the next thing you know there was a Red Cross representative pacing back and forth in front of the crowd holding his hand over the radio - I couldn't hear what it was saying but it was like pulsed - whatever the speech was on there it was pulsed - and that means to me most likely it was a countdown."

Sorry...what did I miss?

 

[Bell]

Sorry...what did I miss?

That guy freaking out and exclaiming "JE[rule10] CHR[rule10]"

That was funny, laughing dog funny!

 

[pomeroo]

Err... Though I appreciate you illustraing my point, I did ask my question first, courtesy before kookery please

Sorry, you don't have a point. The kookery is entirely on the fantasist side.

Tell us why your imaginary, mathematically-impossible conspiracy blew up an obscure building seven hours after the jihadist attacks. Please try to tailor your explanation to any sort of coherent scheme.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

Also make note of where McFadden states the Red Cross guy took his hand off the radio at the 3 sec mark


Wait a sec here? didnt he just say he didnt hear exactly what was said? He is contridicting himself?
And how was this heard over the radio since the Red Cross representive had removed his hand from the radio?

i think he means he had his hand over the speaker (muffling the sound) then removed his hand so everyone around could hear the last 3 seconds

of course he implies that everyon earound him was in the danger zone, nce the red cross workers attack of conscience (which apparently the nWo has beaten back into submission, seeing as how he hasnt spoken out about anything)

but if evgeryone around was in the danger zone, doesnt that mean the red cross worker was also in the danger zone? im surprised no one else has pointed out the absudity of that

 

[DGM]

MJD:
Please explain how he is in the collapse zone but is 40 feet from Amy Goodman who is a mile away. He also does not hear the count down. Can't ignore that away or can you? More "truther" propaganda!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...l=5&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

 

[mjd1982]

Sorry, you don't have a point. The kookery is entirely on the fantasist side.

Tell us why your imaginary, mathematically-impossible conspiracy blew up an obscure building seven hours after the jihadist attacks. Please try to tailor your explanation to any sort of coherent scheme.

2 things:

1. I asked you a question. You have declined to answer. It was an important question. Thus we can conclude that you have no desire to confront serious issues with regard to 9/11. This is sad.

2. From a point of logic, the motive for blowing up 7 is irrelevant. If the building was blown up, then even if there is an absence of motive, this doesnt reverse the fact that the building was blown up. There is overwhelming evidence, this man's testimony being on such instance, that the collapse needs to be independently investigated, on suspicion of implosion. That anyone can believe otherwise is a testament to the intransigent stupidity of the lunatic fringe- any lunatic fringe.

 

[mjd1982]

MJD:
Please explain how he is in the collapse zone but is 40 feet from Amy Goodman who is a mile away. He also does not hear the count down. Can't ignore that away or can you? More "truther" propaganda!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...l=5&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

sorry, how was he in the collapse zone? Define the collapse zone?

Please dont quibble with any trivialities in his words to try and discredit him, it would be pretty pathetic.

 

[Bell]

2. From a point of logic, the motive for blowing up 7 is irrelevant.

How is this claim logic?

If the building was blown up, then even if there is an absence of motive, this doesnt reverse the fact that the building was blown up.

Quite the contradiction.

There is overwhelming evidence, this man's testimony being on such instance, that the collapse needs to be independently investigated, on suspicion of implosion.

This man's evidence (lol), the 'pull it' quote (more lol) and what 'evidence'? I appreciate it if you include some j00s in the other evidence.

That anyone can believe otherwise is a testament to the intransigent stupidity of the lunatic fringe- any lunatic fringe.

I didn't know troofers could do sarcasm.

 

[WildCat]

Please dont quibble with any trivialities in his words to try and discredit him, it would be pretty pathetic.

You don't even have to quibble about anything. His testimony is quite clear that he was speculating on what was happening - that he didn't hear what was being said.

We'll ignore for now the hilarious assertion that the Red Cross was also involved in the Great Conspiracy.

 

[pomeroo]

2 things:

1. I asked you a question. You have declined to answer. It was an important question. Thus we can conclude that you have no desire to confront serious issues with regard to 9/11. This is sad.

Your question is disingenuous. As you are a conspiracy liar, this is to be expected. You are perfectly prepared to ignore any number of eyewitness accounts that don't accord with your agenda-driven fantasies, but let someone make a statement that can be manipulated in your favor and you're all over it. Other posters here have discredited your "ear-witness."

2. From a point of logic, the motive for blowing up 7 is irrelevant. If the building was blown up, then even if there is an absence of motive, this doesnt reverse the fact that the building was blown up. There is overwhelming evidence, this man's testimony being on such instance, that the collapse needs to be independently investigated, on suspicion of implosion. That anyone can believe otherwise is a testament to the intransigent stupidity of the lunatic fringe- any lunatic fringe.

Fantasists are not allowed to invoke logic. When conspiracy liars trot out their favorite debate-stopper, "overwhelming evidence," rationalists have learned through experience that the phrase means "no evidence whatever." Someone fabricates a wildly implausible scenario that requires the complicity of the Red Cross and FDNY in your imaginary conspiracy and we're supposed to investigate something? What, pray tell?

When NIST releases its report on the collapse of WTC 7, you will reject it without reading it.

 

[Par]

From a point of logic, the motive for blowing up 7 is irrelevant...

So, motives are irrelevant in the face of the evidence. For someone who advocates this idea, you place rather a lot of importance in the whole PNAC “new Pearl Harbour” issue.

 

[DGM]

sorry, how was he in the collapse zone? Define the collapse zone?

Please dont quibble with any trivialities in his words to try and discredit him, it would be pretty pathetic.

I don't have to discredit him, he does a fine job by himself.

 

[SDC]

The first line of your post is instantly wrong. You need to go and read more of my threads. When you have done this, come back.

"Instantly wrong" is a meaningless phrase. Perhaps you mean "totally wrong," or "wrong from the first word," or even "grotty to the max." I show my age proudly.

As god as my witness, not only will I never go hungry again, but I'll be damned before I go back and read more of your threads. Wild horses couldn't drag me there. There isn't enough tea in Boston harbor. Noway. Nope. Rather bang my head against the wall. Hoch mir a chaynik.

I'll certainly admit my statements in that posting (about "X" and "no X" and so on) are not well phrased or structured. I was attempting to make sense of your statements, and make them usable for argument. A fool's errand.

 

[Drudgewire]

"Multiple Breaches"

 

[pomeroo]

Quote:


Former Air Force Special Operations for Search and Rescue expert, Kevin McPadden traveled to ground zero completely of his own accord and spent the next four days searching through the rubble and nearby buildings for survivors.

In a speech given at this week's 9/11 truth events in New York City, McPadden describes the shocking details of what he witnessed shortly before WTC 7 imploded into its own footprint.​

"While we were on the right side, there was firefighters getting ready, they were bussing them back and forth, and a couple of vets that were there - they got the vibe that something was coming down," said McPadden.
"We started asking questions, everybody started asking questions, and the next thing you know there was a Red Cross representative pacing back and forth in front of the crowd holding his hand over the radio - I couldn't hear what it was saying but it was like pulsed - whatever the speech was on there it was pulsed - and that means to me most likely it was a countdown."​

"But he took his hand off at the last three seconds and he gave this heartfelt look - like just run for your life - because he didn't want to bring it on his conscience - he didn't want to go to his grave with that - and then we had a couple of seconds to put our heads together," said McPadden.
McPadden then describes the frantic attempts to escape as the building began to collapse.​

In a taped interview with us after the event, McPadden made it clear that he and onlookers clearly heard "three, two, one" from the radio before the building collapsed. We will be releasing that tape over the next week. We also talked to other first responders who verified the story.​

A few fairly obvious questions:​

Why does Kevin McPadden, who is entering the twoofer pantheon rather late in the game, take it upon himself to search the rubble for survivors?​

Why do the police and firefighters permit him to do so?​

Has anyone verified his self-description? (Silly question--of course not!)​

What does he mean, "they got the vibe that something was coming down"? What is the English equivalent of that sentence? We all know that WTC 7 was regarded as unstable and liable to collapse. Is he simply re-stating the common understanding or is he saying something more? If the latter, what is the source of his knowledge?​

What is he talking about when he says of the radio, "it was like pulsed"? Are we supposed to know what he means?​

So, the Red Cross radio is transmitting a countdown--who is doing the counting? Why is the Red Cross privy to such inside information? Why would would the Impossibly Vast Conspiracy include the Red Cross?​

If the idea was prevent more casualties, why blow up the building at all?​

Who are the "onlookers" who heard the countdown?​

Who are the first responders who "verified" the story? (Okay, another silly question: they don't exist.)​

Who else noticed those "frantic attempts to escape as the building began to collapse"?​

Who joins me in dismissing this tale as yet another steaming load...?​

 

[DGM]

sorry, how was he in the collapse zone? Define the collapse zone?

Please dont quibble with any trivialities in his words to try and discredit him, it would be pretty pathetic.

"But he took his hand off at the last three seconds and he gave this heartfelt look - like just run for your life - because he didn't want to bring it on his conscience - he didn't want to go to his grave with that - and then we had a couple of seconds to put our heads together," said McPadden.
McPadden then describes the frantic attempts to escape as the building began to collapse.

Kind of makes it sound like he's closer that a mile away. Does it not? More "truther" propaganda!

 

[DGM]

Pomeroo:
Also; why is this red cross guy standing there listening to the countdown and not getting away? Steaming pile it is.

 

[332nd]

Is no one actually going to deal with his testimony coherently?

I broached this in my WTC7 testimonies thread, no one had any inclination to do so. His testimony is supported by many others; and contradicted by none.
How can you look at this, and the other testimonies, and not conclude that there is a need for independent investigation into this? Please tell me!

... Ok. If it was a countdown to CD, why are there no recordings of the CD charges?

 

[Bell]

... Ok. If it was a countdown to CD, why are there no recordings of the CD charges?

Hushaboom, dude, hushaboom!

 

[pomeroo]

Pomeroo:
Also; why is this red cross guy standing there listening to the countdown and not getting away? Steaming pile it is.

Good catch, DGM! Yeah, I'm sure we'd all be standing there calmly whistling while a countdown to the destruction of a nearby building ticked off the numbers.