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Another sincere question for theists...

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Dr Adequate said:
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Now will you try doing a couple of things? Will you ask God to "make himself real to me", and see if you have the slightest effect? He may hate me, but you ought to be in his good books. And will you look at the world around you and try to answer the OP? [/B]
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First, about the Immanuel/Jeus/I Am Who I Am/Alpha and Omega name thing; Jesus means "Help of Jehovah"
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And you're right. I've been long on human arguments and short on prayer the majority of this discussion which probably doesn't leave God terribly impressed but then we can't earn his grace, it's free. I will pray that you humble yourself and seek God, and I know that he will make himself known to you under those circumstances. Over Christmas I'd encourage everyone to give that carpenter who changed the world another chance. The Bible is clear that far from hating you, he yearns after you.
1 Kings 19:11-13:ThLord said, Go out and stand on the mountain in the presence of the Lord, for the Lord is about to pass by. Then a great and powerful wind tore the mountains aprart and shattered the rocks before the Lord, but the Lord was not in the wind After the wind there was an earthquake but the Lord was not in the earthquake. After the earthquake came a fire, but the Lord was not in the fire. And after the fire came a gentle whisper. When Elijah heard it, he pulled his cloak over his face and went out and stood at the mouth of the cave. Then a voice said to him, What are you doing here Elijah."
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When you look at the world around you, you see the effects of man when he has disposed with God and you see "the light(which) shines brighter in the darkness."
Favourite Hymn: When I survery the wondrous cross, on which the Prince of glory died, My richest gain I count but loss, and pour contempt on all my pride. Forbid it, Lord, that I should boast, save in the death of Christ my God!All the vain things that charm me most, I sacrifice them to His blood.
See from his head, his hands, his feet, Sorrow and love flow mingled down! Did e'er such love and sorrow meet, or thorns compose so rich a crown?
His dying crimson, like a robe, spreads o'er His body on the tree; Then I am dead to all the globe and all the globe is dead to me.
Were the whole realm of nature mine, that were a present far too small; Love so amazing, so divine, demands my soul, my life my all.
I could add a bunch more worthy human thought but I think I'll stop here.
 
farmermike
First, about the Immanuel/Jeus/I Am Who I Am/Alpha and Omega name thing; Jesus means "Help of Jehovah"
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But the text specifically states that the baby will be named Immanuel. So was the text wrong – not a true prophecy or was Jesus wrong – not the messiah?

I will pray that you humble yourself and seek God, and I know that he will make himself known to you under those circumstances.
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Done so already, raised in a religious household, nothing happened then or more recently.

The Bible is clear that far from hating you, he yearns after you.
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Except for the parts where he sends plagues, earthquakes, disease, makes us specifically to go to hell, etc.

I could add a bunch more worthy human thought but I think I'll stop here.
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I’ll wait for one.

Ossai
 
farmermike said:
I will pray that you humble yourself and seek God, and I know that he will make himself known to you under those circumstances.
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Wrong, as it turns out. Look, I've done this. I did it again on Wednesday, when you asked me to. Then I had another look at the Gospels and the Acts of the Apostles. And I still can't solve the problem of evil.

The quote from 1 Kings seems a bit of a non sequitur.
When you look at the world around you, you see the effects of man when he has disposed with God and you see "the light(which) shines brighter in the darkness."
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Hmm, let's think about the "effects of man" I've seen lately which I'm not too keen on. Now, let's see... are Al-Qaida and the Taliban "men who have disposed with God"? Or are they both composed of theists? George W. Bush? Saddam Hussein? Believers, it seems. The troubles in the Middle East? Turns out all those suicide bombers are devout. If you really mean to blame all the troubles of the world, not just on people, but on people who are atheists, you'd better be prepared to back that slander up with more than words.

But that's just the trouble caused by humans. A glance at the world tells us that acts of God are far more devastating then the works of humanity. God kills a million African children a year with malaria alone. Humanity has its faults, granted, chiefly the fighting of wars, but last century we saved more lives with penicillin alone than we wasted in war, so I still think we come out more good than bad, overall.

I should add that lights don't shine brighter in the darkness. That's just contrast. And that I've heard this kind of talk before, but I've never seen anyone banging their head against the wall so that later they may have the pleasure of stopping.

My favourite hymn. By A. E. Housman. You may not have heard it.


Easter Hymn

If in that Syrian garden, ages slain,
You sleep, and know not you are dead in vain,
Nor even in dreams behold how dark and bright
Ascends in smoke and fire by day and night
The hate you died to quench and could but fan,
Sleep well and see no morning, son of man.

But if, the grave rent and the stone rolled by,
At the right hand of majesty on high
You sit, and sitting so remember yet
Your tears, your agony and bloody sweat,
Your cross and passion and the life you gave,
Bow hither out of heaven and see and save.
 
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farmermike said:
First, about the Immanuel/Jeus/I Am Who I Am/Alpha and Omega name thing; Jesus means "Help of Jehovah"
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I could add a bunch more worthy human thought but I think I'll stop here.
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I thought you were going to elighten us about fulfilled phrophecys?

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From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel.
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Which ruler in Israel was this?
 
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farmermike said:
First, about the Immanuel/Jeus/I Am Who I Am/Alpha and Omega name thing; Jesus means "Help of Jehovah"
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And Immanuel doesn't.

They've both got a God reference in them, but so do an awful lot of male Jewish names, don't they?
 
I am going to bow out of this is thread. I find that once someone starts quote prophecy to support a point, then it is all over but the name calling.
 
jimmygun said:
I have asked this before on other threads but so far no reply. Can anyone demonstrate the "love" part of God. I honestly do not see a loving entity from the descriptions given about him.

Please don't give me that old saw about God saving two people while he let x number burn to death. That is not indicitive of a love for anything.
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You exist because of God.
 
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RussDill said:
So...what about all the beings that don't exist? Is that out of hate and spite?
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You mean like, "So...what about all the snowflakes that don't exist? Is that out of hate and spite?"

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Diogenes said:
Give me a rain-check on that... Riddick is back..
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yes, i got suspended from the christian forums for 30 days after owning several atheist youths in a flame contest. :D
 
Riddick,

Are you promoting the idea that existence is love?

Your statement "You exist because of God. " in response to Jimmygun's question: "Can anyone demonstrate the "love" part of God?" has me confused.
 
Atlas said:
Riddick,

Are you promoting the idea that existence is love?

Your statement "You exist because of God. " in response to Jimmygun's question: "Can anyone demonstrate the "love" part of God?" has me confused.
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It is ONE of the ways God expresses his love. Existence is not the totality, or end, of God's love.

There are many ways he expresses his love.
 
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Riddick said:
You mean like, "So...what about all the snowflakes that don't exist? Is that out of hate and spite?"

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I mean, if I exist because god loves me, does it mean that all the people that god has chosen not to allow to exist, he does not love? This huge potential population of individuals that god does not love.
 
Riddick said:
It is ONE of the ways God expresses his love. Existence is not the totality, or end, of God's love.

There are many ways he expresses his love.
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So parasitic worms and living humans each have a measure of god's love being expressed that dead humans do not?
 
Atlas said:
So parasitic worms and living humans each have a measure of god's love being expressed that dead humans do not?
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Parasitic worms. I don't know. They are interesting creatures, that's for sure. Maggots are used to eat diseased tissues. My sister had to apply them to a patient in a nursing home.

Humans. Yes.

Dead humans. Yes. God keeps their "being" on record, so he can restore them when he returns.
 
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