Another reason Clinton lost....

[The Don]

That is something the left could go with, not accepting the gay lifestyle could be forced upon us.

I'd be interested how you think the "gay lifestyle" is being forced upon you. I'm not gay but the fact that gay people are less discriminated against than they once were has had absolutely no impact on my life whatsoever.

1950's not so much. Although we did seem to have many intact families. Now we have intact gay families.

Anyone can make it in America!

I disagree, from what I see conservatives are harking back to an idealised version of the 1950s. They want patriarchal nuclear families in which white Dad goes out to work and even if he is unskilled or semi-skilled he earns enough to ensure that Mom can stay at home and look after the kids. They are happily married (or more accurately Mom cannot leave) and Dad rules the house with authority. A certain amount of violence towards the wife and the kids is tolerated.

The kids don't have sex until they are married, love God, their parents and the United States of America. They know their place (as do people of different colours, religions and sexual persuasion) and don't want to rock the boat safe in the knowledge that in due course they will assume the roles that their parents have.

 

[The Shrike]

The 2000 election was decided in Florida. Very, very close. It was said that what tipped the scales toward Bush was the treatment of Elian Gonzalez by the Clinton Administration. . .

During the Elian Gonzalez debacle, I distinctly remember telling my wife "That kid's gonna change the world." Clinton-by-association-no-matter-how-hard-he-tried-to-distance-himself Al Gore then loses by a hair in Florida due in large measure to the conservative Cuban-American vote in that state; GW Bush enters the White House.

We can discuss back in forth if we'd have been better off or worse off had Gore won in 2000, but we can probably all agree that Gore 2001–2004 would've put us on a different trajectory to 2016 than did W. Bush during that same time.

 

[pgwenthold]

I was watching the bit about the 2000's last night, and they brought something up. The 2000 election was decided in Florida. Very, very close. It was said that what tipped the scales toward Bush was the treatment of Elian Gonzalez by the Clinton Administration. Despite Al Gore's public support of keeping Gonzalez here in America, it wasn't enough to sway Cubans away from voting against that Administration.

Could it be that 16 years later Cubans in Florida showed a long memory and wanted nothing to do with a Clinton in office, no matter how clearly retarded the alternative was? What I recall was a very emotional situation down there.

So they voted for a guy who sent people to Cuba to violate the embargo?

 

[logger]

I'd be interested how you think the "gay lifestyle" is being forced upon you. I'm not gay but the fact that gay people are less discriminated against than they once were has had absolutely no impact on my life whatsoever.

Forcing me to bake a cake?

I disagree, from what I see conservatives are harking back to an idealised version of the 1950s. They want patriarchal nuclear families in which white Dad goes out to work and even if he is unskilled or semi-skilled he earns enough to ensure that Mom can stay at home and look after the kids. They are happily married (or more accurately Mom cannot leave) and Dad rules the house with authority. A certain amount of violence towards the wife and the kids is tolerated.

What are the black dads doing, is this some sort of racist comment?

The kids don't have sex until they are married, love God, their parents and the United States of America. They know their place (as do people of different colours, religions and sexual persuasion) and don't want to rock the boat safe in the knowledge that in due course they will assume the roles that their parents have.

Heaven forbid kids don't get to have sex! Absolutely hilarious!

 

[Jerrymander]

Forcing me to bake a cake?

So you believe in refusing a paying customer based on their identity? Are you pro-"whites only" stores too?

 

[The Don]

Forcing me to bake a cake?

Someone has forced you to bake a cake, tell me more.....

 

[The Don]

What are the black dads doing, is this some sort of racist comment?

They are, like most blacks in mainstream 1950s culture, invisible and ignored. The essence of the 1950's fantasy is that the white man is completely in charge and black people don't even impinge on the consciousness of white families unless they're providing a service.