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Another Antifa Call for Violence

dann

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dann said:
After years of this, brought to our attention by the unbiased readers of news in this forum:

Antifa Thug Breaks Leg of Opposing Demonstrator - Police Do Nothing
Journalist attacked by violent mob
He brought an American flag to protest fascism in Portland. Then antifa attacked him
Antifa's Honeymoon Coming to an end
Antifa Bike Lock Attacker Identified and Arrested College Professor

Now the violent antics are at it again. (CNN, June 2, 2020)
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The latest fake antifa account was an obvious fraud to anyone with even a cursory knowledge of the activist left in this country, but that's not really relevant. These false flag operations exist so that dimwits and bad-faith propagandists in the media can spread a false narrative.

There is no national antifa organization. Explicit antifa activists are disorganized, hyper-local, and leaderless. The idea that there are enough antifa or other militant, armed leftists in this country to account for all the violent demonstrations of the last few weeks is absurd on its face. Thousands of people are taking to the streets in cities all across the country. Antifa could never dream of such numbers.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Explicit antifa activists are disorganized, hyper-local, and leaderless. The idea that there are enough antifa or other militant, armed leftists in this country to account for all the violent demonstrations of the last few weeks is absurd on its face. Thousands of people are taking to the streets in cities all across the country. Antifa could never dream of such numbers.
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I've seen very narrow defintions of antifa like the one posted above and very broad definitions like this one, designed to include anyone who fights against fascism in any form. I've heard the argument that if you're not pro-fascist, you must be anti-fascist. How can one tell whether to use the narrow version or the broad one when discussing such things?



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d4m10n said:
I've seen very narrow defintions of antifa like the one posted above and very broad definitions like this one. How can I tell whether to use the narrow version or the broad one when discussing such things?



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Both definitions are correct. You are antifa if you consider yourself to be antifa and you are anti-fascist.
 
d4m10n said:
I've seen very narrow defintions of antifa like the one posted above and very broad definitions like this one, designed to include anyone who fights against fascism in any form. I've heard the argument that if you're not pro-fascist, you must be anti-fascist. How can one tell whether to use the narrow version or the broad one when discussing such things?



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Sure, but right wing idiots use antifa as a noun. Antifa, as you describe it, is an adjective. It describes a loose collection of ideology and attitudes.

The president is talking about labeling Antifa a terrorist group. This implies a level of organization and formality that simply does not exist in the real world. You can no more declare antifa the enemy than you can declare progressivism or leftism the enemy.

This is merely a propaganda tactic. Anyone insufficiently right wing will be declared antifa. Anyone protesting, violently or nonviolently, will be labeled an antifa terrorist.
 
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
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Agreed; peaceful behavior is the default under normal circumstances. But!
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these nonwhite citizens; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of GOP Fanboys is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over all nonwhites. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
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See the myriad direct challenges to all checks and balances in order to institute the kind of white nationalist rule Trump believes he has an "absolute" right to.

Time for American white men to "have that conversation":
Kiddo, normal people do not like you. It's not your color or race. It's your national origin. It ties you to crimes against humanity. That somehow has a good number of decent people up in arms. Best if you stay home and not travel abroad, at least until such time as enough of us have faced a tribunal and answered for our many crimes, which, sadly, even pristine holy-genes white men must do. Meantime, do not wear any red headgear or show any sort of GOP credentials to people who know how to read."
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Widerstand gegen den Nationalsozialismus
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Sure, but right wing idiots use antifa as a noun. Antifa, as you describe it, is an adjective. It describes a loose collection of ideology and attitudes.

The president is talking about labeling Antifa a terrorist group. This implies a level of organization and formality that simply does not exist in the real world. You can no more declare antifa the enemy than you can declare progressivism or leftism the enemy.

This is merely a propaganda tactic. Anyone insufficiently right wing will be declared antifa. Anyone protesting, violently or nonviolently, will be labeled an antifa terrorist.
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Maybe dann could try calling Antifa headquarters and politely ask them to stop.
 
SuburbanTurkey said:
The president is talking about labeling Antifa a terrorist group. This implies a level of organization and formality that simply does not exist in the real world. You can no more declare antifa the enemy than you can declare progressivism or leftism the enemy.
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I suspect that may be the point, if you declare a group with no organized structure, official membership, or leaders to be a terrorist group, then anybody could potentially be classified as a member.
There was a law enforcement procedural in which a federal agent conducting an interrogation told the suspect something like "I just have to say the word "terrorist", and ten years from now you'll be trying to remember what sunlight looks like."
 
How do we know there isn't an organized core to Antifa? Would we have any way to know if we aren't at the centre of this? Hypothetically, if they are responsible for all those pallets of bricks and gasoline hidden all over these cities, then there is at least some level of organization and coordination there.
 
shuttlt said:
How do we know there isn't an organized core to Antifa? Would we have any way to know if we aren't at the centre of this? Hypothetically, if they are responsible for all those pallets of bricks and gasoline hidden all over these cities, then there is at least some level of organization and coordination there.
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I know its all DUN DUN The Jews again!
 
shuttlt said:
How do we know there isn't an organized core to Antifa? Would we have any way to know if we aren't at the centre of this? Hypothetically, if they are responsible for all those pallets of bricks and gasoline hidden all over these cities, then there is at least some level of organization and coordination there.
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The fact that they're anarcho-communists suggests that a large degree of centralised organisation is not the likeliest of options.
 
Who actually thinks a brick is a useful size to throw any distance?
 
uke2se said:
Both definitions are correct. You are antifa if you consider yourself to be antifa and you are anti-fascist.
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This is still the best presentation of antifa I've seen:

(7 min.)
 
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