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Anomolies at ground zero

I take it back ,thats not the UN building. You can , however several of the high rise buildings along MidTown East.

the 90s may be right.

Can anyone blow up the street sign in the last pic? Also, the way those cars are parked on the otherside and the ESU truck make me thing there is a precinct right there.
 
firecoins said:
Yeah, there is no way that is anywhere near ground zero. There is a street sign behind the cop car, cam't quite make it ou but could be 70 something. I was thinking 90 something. Its definatly under the FDR overpass.
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That makes this even more suspicious - what evil device can both pulverize the entire WTC into dust and shredded steel and "act selectively on different materials" of cars blocks away.

BrilliantThinker1234 - you've really raised some provocative questions and like a good citizen, demanding (anonymously on an Internet forum) answers.

Brave Sir BrilliantThinker1234.
 
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TruthSeeker1234 said:
Would anyone care to explain the anomalies that are the subject of this thread? How does the front part of a car get the steel melted, while the back half is pristine? Does this not imply that the front part was melted very quickly? How does a rubber tire disappear leaving the steel belts behind, without leaving any black goo? How does the metal burn when the plastic next to it is fine? How do the windows in a fire truck get blown out, but the fire truck is not damaged by any debris? This would certainly imply a huge increase in air pressure, would it not?

It appears that whatever caused these weird things had 1) an ability to act selectively on different materials, and 2) the abiity to increase the temperature of steel very, very rapidly.

Please, JREFs, tell me what you imagine happened to create these effects.
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only the front burned?

yes only the front burned. on time just my left armed burned, it turned black within a few days, the right arm did not burn, it was normal.

These are real easy questions, front burned back did not burn.

Just the engine gasoline burned and the tires, but the rest of the car did not burn.

My brother and I tried to start a car dripping gasoline into the carb, it started on fire, just the front! Only the front burned, only the front had fire damage!
 
DavidJames said:
That makes this even more suspicious - what evil device can both pulverize the entire WTC into dust and shredded steel and "act selectively on different materials" of cars blocks away.

BrilliantThinker1234 - you've really raised some provocative questions and like a good citizen, demanding (anonymously on an Internet forum) answers.

Braver Sir BrilliantThinker1234.
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Maybe it wasn't blocks away. Maybe the device teleports objects as it selectively chars them.

.... Maybe the towers are really up in Canada somewhere.
 
Arkan_Wolfshade said:
There is insufficient information in just pictures to make an educated guess. We do not know the vehicles' locations at the time they were damaged, if the pictures were taken at those locations, if any debris was removed from the vehicles prior to the pictures being taken, etc
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logic and reason

you are cheating
 
This cop car is most likely on the Upper East Side, either in the 70s or 90's by the FDR and is miles away. If this picture was taken on 9/11/01, and I am in no way sure of that, it had nothing to do with the
collapse of the twin towers or #7.
 
We really have to know more about those pictures before we can say anything for sure.
 
DavidJames said:
That makes this even more suspicious - what evil device can both pulverize the entire WTC into dust and shredded steel and "act selectively on different materials" of cars blocks away.

BrilliantThinker1234 - you've really raised some provocative questions and like a good citizen, demanding (anonymously on an Internet forum) answers.

Brave Sir BrilliantThinker1234.
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Does this image help the resident New Yorkers?
http://s18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/ARG/Image161.jpg
 
TruthSeeker1234 said:
Would anyone care to explain the anomalies that are the subject of this thread? How does the front part of a car get the steel melted, while the back half is pristine? Does this not imply that the front part was melted very quickly? How does a rubber tire disappear leaving the steel belts behind, without leaving any black goo? How does the metal burn when the plastic next to it is fine? How do the windows in a fire truck get blown out, but the fire truck is not damaged by any debris? This would certainly imply a huge increase in air pressure, would it not?

It appears that whatever caused these weird things had 1) an ability to act selectively on different materials, and 2) the abiity to increase the temperature of steel very, very rapidly.

Please, JREFs, tell me what you imagine happened to create these effects.
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I explained this already: Dr. Evil's arm was jostled while he was directing the pulvobeam at the towers and the beam accidently hit the cars for a moment. This also explains why he left some of the WTC core standing.
 
Looks like Ichan Stadium in the background, but thats only a guess.

No, its Yankee Stadium. If it was Ichan, you'd see more bridges.

Anyway, this puts the picture above 90 Street. Maybe in the Harlem area, since we can't see the Triboro Bridge.
 
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realitybites said:
Maybe it wasn't blocks away. Maybe the device teleports objects as it selectively chars them.

.... Maybe the towers are really up in Canada somewhere.
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Finally, a JREFer sheeple who's thinking outside the pen.

Recall a week or so ago about scientists successfully "transporting" matter in Europe. Okay so it was something really really tiny and it went about an inch. But you also may recall the brilliant comment by some brave soul (at LC I believe) who argued quite convincingly that the U.S. military is technologically 50 years ahead of the rest of us. Add 1 plus 1 and you get 'C', I think you're on to something rb, keep up the research and keep your head low, I wouldn't want any of those tractor beams to suck you out of this world into the new world, if you get my drift.
 
DavidJames said:
You are missing the most amazing part. There were people inside those cars and they aren't there now! Where did they go? What technology would make them completely disappear without any blood, torn clothing, nothing, they simply vanished.

Please JREFs tell me what you imagine happened to those people.
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Freejackers. There's no other explanation.
 
Team Leaders for the NIST WTC Study:

Dr. H.S. Lew – Senior Research Engineer. PhD Civil Engineering, BS in Architectural Engineering. ASCE Fellow.
With NIST: Structural Engineering, Earthquake Engineering, Building and Fire Research.
http://www2.bfrl.nist.gov/profiles/profiles.asp?lastname=Lew
(his full profile)

Richard W. Bukowski – Senior Research Engineer. BSc Electrical Engineering.
With NIST: Co-ordinator of Building and Fire Research Lab.
http://www2.bfrl.nist.gov/profiles/profile...stname=bukowski
(his full profile)

Dr. Fahim H. Sadek – PhD Mechanical Engineering SMU
With NIST: Research Structural Engineer
http://www2.bfrl.nist.gov/profiles/profile...?lastname=sadek
(his full profile)

Dr. Frank W. Gayle – PhD Metallurgy MIT, MSc Materials Science, BSc Civil Engineering.
http://wtc.nist.gov/pi/wtc_profiles.asp?lastname=gayle
(his full profile)

Dr. David D. Evans – PhD in Engineering (Fire protection)


Dr. William Grosshandler – PhD Mechanical Engineering UC Berkley
With NIST: Head of Building and Fire Research
http://www2.bfrl.nist.gov/profiles/profile...me=grosshandler
(his full profile)

Dr. Richard G. Gann – PhD Physical Chemistry MIT
With NIST: Senior Research Scientist – Integrated Performance Assessment
http://www2.bfrl.nist.gov/profiles/profile...p?lastname=gann
(his full profile)

Dr. John L. Gross – PhD Structural Engineering, BSc/MSc Civil Engineering Cornell
With NIST: Research Engineer – Materials and Construction Research Division
http://www2.bfrl.nist.gov/profiles/profile...?lastname=gross
(his full profile)

Dr. Therese P. McAllister – PhD Structural Engineering John Hopkins
With NIST: Senior Structural Engineer.
http://www2.bfrl.nist.gov/profiles/profile...name=mcallister
(her full profile)

Jason D. Averill – MSc Structural Engineering (working on PhD) John Hopkins
With NIST: Research Engineer
http://www2.bfrl.nist.gov/profiles/profile...astname=averill
(his full profile)

J. Randall Lawson – BA, BSc Industrial Education, AA Computer Science and Math
With NIST: General Physical Scientist
http://www2.bfrl.nist.gov/profiles/profile...lastname=lawson
(his full profile)


TAM
 
Here's where I am estimating the cars' location to be. The thumbtack is the cars. WTC and Yankee are both marked as well.
cars_here1.jpg

cars_here2.jpg
 
Ugh, this is embarassing, but I wanted to be like the CTer and use Google Earth for a little bit.

Based off the shape of the buildings in the background, I'm pretty sure that the one squad car is under the FDR as many have said, just "north" of the Manhattan bridge.

squadcarmf2.jpg


The "squad car" thumb-tack is an obvious approximation.
 
Docker said:
Has anyone explained the mysterious burns of these cars? Some are "fused" and welded. In., one case the front half is burned and the back untouched.

"WMD at the WTC" claims its proof of thermonuclear devices, but I hasten to add I dont agree with that.
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Raging fires and glowing hot metal have properties that defy experience for the average person. Common experience does not tell the average person what happens when things get very hot. Most people have little experience with anything hotter than a campfire.

I saw a bunch of half burned cars once. I did not see the event that caused it first hand, since I was about a mile away at that time. The cars were in the parking lot of a steel mill that I used to work at.

One day a liquid oxygen line perforated at an elbow joint in the pipe. The outside of the elbow was facing the parking lot where these cars were. The oxygen escaping the line rushed out and expanded at high velocity, causing the air, now much richer in oxygen, to heat up. In a short period of time the cars closest to the jet of oxygen acquired enough heat to explode one at a time. This was not a case of casual burning taking place. All of the gas in the cars was consumed at once. Parts of the cars that face away from the tank were not fully burned. Paint survived where the flash and residual fire did not reach. No mini nukes required.

Also, having worked in a steel mill I have a fair amount of experience with hot steel. Radiant heat is strange stuff. I remember standing on a catwalk some distance (80 feet would be a guess) from a slab of steel that was glowing bright orange. I could feel the moisture escaping from my face and my skin tightening. Not burning, but not a pleasant feeling either. But all I had to do was put up my hands and my face felt normal. My hands did not feel all that bad but I could feel them warming. Almost anything can block radiant heat. Just so long as the thing used to block the heat is not overly conductive and can aborb the energy.

Now I am back to working in the heat-treat industry. Among other things, we build vacuum furnaces. Common experience and vacuum are two more things that defy experience and expectations of the average person.
 
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