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Annoying creationists

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I guess now the thread has turned into a game of patience. Kleinman is hoping that he can post longer than everyone else so that he can have the last word, and hence 'win' the debate. Thats the only reason I can think of for Kleinman's current behaviour.
I had originally thought that. But one weekend, no one responded to him, and he felt the need to enter another thread perpetuating the same nonsense.

I got the distinct impression that he wants the attention. If we really want to get his goat, we just stop posting.

I would love to see this post be the last in the thread.:)
 
Beggaminases is how evolution works.

And that's the last thing he ever said.

Suicide by mod. Gotta love it.

Now he can whine to his creationist friends (and, unfortunately but probably, to his patients), about how badly he was treated by those mathematically challenged evolutionists who didn't understand how evolution by mutation and selection really worked mathematically and empirically and how multiple directional selection pressures profoundly slowed the evolution process.

How am I doing, so far ?
 
And that's the last thing he ever said.

Suicide by mod. Gotta love it.

Now he can whine to his creationist friends (and, unfortunately but probably, to his patients), about how badly he was treated by those mathematically challenged evolutionists who didn't understand how evolution by mutation and selection really worked mathematically and empirically and how multiple directional selection pressures profoundly slowed the evolution process.

How am I doing, so far ?

Spooky - like he is still here :eek:
 
Well, I'm glad he's gone, but yeah, he'll still spread his lies about the evils of Science.

I worry about the damage he could spread to his patients as he is in a position of authority.
 
Well, I'm glad he's gone, but yeah, he'll still spread his lies about the evils of Science.

I worry about the damage he could spread to his patients as he is in a position of authority.

Just call it evolution in action.
 
ummmm, so i know the guy was really annoying and all (hence the thread title)

But what was the reason for him getting banned?

He didnt appear to be any more rude, evasive, or dishonest than usual in his last post so i'm just curious as to what was the final straw.
 
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But what was the reason for him getting banned?

He didnt appear to be any more rude, evasive, or dishonest than usual in his last post so i'm just curious as to what was the final straw.

Kleinman received a warning for the repetitive post below (see the yellow icon at its end), which probably qualified as some kind of flooding:

Lizards evolve into birds
Lizards evolve into birds
[etc]

It was really, really obnoxious, which was, I'd think, reason enough, but it became painfully obvious that he didn't want a civil discussion about evolution. Kleinman outed himself as, essentially, spamming the forum to publish his "letter to the editor" he wanted to publish but couldn't in Nucleic Acids Research.

Of course, he'll report to his chums that he was banned because the evolutionists "ran out of" arguments against his thesis, which would be a lie because we were still coming up with novel refutations virtually to the last day. Reminds me of the Black Night in Monty Python and the Holy Grail who, after losing both arms and legs to his opponent, offered to call the duel a draw, although Kleinman is no doubt still judging himself the winner.
 
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Kleinman received a warning for the repetitive post below (see the yellow icon at its end), which probably qualified as some kind of flooding.

Fair enough. I'm just amazed it took 8000 posts and over a year before it happened.

The mods here must be a lot more forgiving then i would imagine most other forum moderators would be.

wonder how long it will be before kleinman mk2 appears.
 
Reminds me of the Black Night in Monty Python and the Holy Grail who, after losing both arms and legs to his opponent, offered to call the duel a draw, although Kleinman is no doubt still judging himself the winner.

:lol2:

I predict he'll publish a book that many Christians will point to on their bookshelves (though they've never read it) and say, "See, that's the book by the guy that disproved evolution." Whenever doubt arises, they'll take it down and hold it in their hands as if it were holy scripture.
Well, as far as scriptural content goes, I suppose it could be.
 
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I predict he'll publish a book that many Christians will point to on their bookshelves (though they've never read it) and say, "See, that's the book by the guy that disproved evolution." Whenever doubt arises, they'll take it down and hold it in their hands as if it were holy scripture.
Well, as far as scriptural content goes, I suppose it could be.

I have a couple of creationist books on my shelf right now (from my pre-skeptic days). I actually read them when I was a Christian. There are certainly some christians who do not read their materials, but it might surprise you how many actually do. The problem is that the arguments sound good, unless you know a bit of real science. Alan's argument is that evolution is not mathematically possible, and that is the same basic argument as Behe and many others. On YEC forums, many times they will fall back on that basic argument. If you have no knowledge of why science actually thinks that evolution happens, it sounds like a reasonable problem. For instance, perpetual motion machines are not possible theoretically, so whenever we see someone claim to invent one, we dismiss it. I have a certain pity for creationists. Ones like Alan make the whole batch look bad, but many are friendly and otherwise quite intelligent people. Some of my family members have changed to acceptance of evolution since I learned what real science is. So, while Alan is a hopeless case, he is not representative of all creationists.
 
ummmm, so i know the guy was really annoying and all (hence the thread title)

But what was the reason for him getting banned?

He didnt appear to be any more rude, evasive, or dishonest than usual in his last post so i'm just curious as to what was the final straw.

He should have been banned long ago.

I don't care about personal attacks or spamming the thread. I do, however, strongly disapprove of (the word hate is more appropriate I think) the way Kleinman consistently avoided ever addressing the issues we brought up and acted like a debate bully in the process.

If this was an arbitrated debate instead of a forum he would not have lasted a single page before breaking the rules. That makes him the worst of the worst in my book. I have zero tolerance for people that attempt to argue using misquotes, misrepresentations, and misinformation.
 
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So, the final tally.

Number of posts by kleinman: 1538

Number of words in kleinman's posts (estimated from a sample of his weekly tallies) ~ 750,000

Number of posts by kleinman including the word "mathematics": 300.

Number of posts by kleinman containing mathematics: 0.

Number of posts by kleinman including the word "cheese": 166.

Number of posts made by kleinman in which he uses the phrase "selection pressures evolve": 71. (That's the trouble with automating the lying process.)

Number of people deceived by kleinman: 0.

Ladies and gentlemen, we may have just witnessed the single greatest act of human pointlessness since the reign of King Olaf the Pointless.
 
Ummm...how many laughing dogs? Just asking...:)

greatest act of human pointlessness

Funny, the first time I read this, I saw "politeness"!

My question is: Who will be the final poster on this thread? It would have been fitting that Dr Adequate be the one, but I just had to add my .01 quid.
 
The Last Word

In search of lasting fame, he raised
himself a monument: a crazed
and ostentatious folly, built
of marble, laced about with gilt
for ornament, designed in mock-
Egyptian mixed with late Baroque,
with Grecian porticos, and sets
of neo-Gothic minarets:
a thing that would have quite digraced
a magpie's sense of proper taste;
with lots of statues, all of him
enthroned among the cherubim,
and busts and portraits by the ton;
and, when the gaudy thing was done,
he carved upon its massive base:

Here Lies, Beneath This Hallowed Place,
A Man Whose Lofty, Noble Mind
Reflected Glory On Mankind;
A Peerless, Wise, And Saintly Sage;
The Very Wonder Of His Age,
With All The Gifts That Heaven Sends;
Who, Now His Mortal Jouney Ends,
Lays Down His Burden, And With Great
Humility (His Leading Trait)
Accepts His Heavenly Reward
As What Is Owed Him By The Lord.
.

Today, his tomb, as you might guess
(what's left of it) does not impress:
for, since he'd chosen to reject
advice from every architect,
and botched his grandiose design
in each distorted, crooked line,
and built upon the shifting sand,
his mausoleum didn't stand
for quite so long as he had planned;

and Time, that loves the final laugh,
has edited his epitaph.
A word's sufficient to the wise.
One word remains, and that is: Lies.
 
But it wasn't a dream. It was a place, and you and you and you... and you were there!

But you couldn't have been, could you? No, Aunt Em. This is a real, truly live place. And I remember that some of it wasn't very nice. But most of it was beautiful. But just the same, all I kept saying to everybody was, 'I want to go home.' And they sent me home.

Oh, but anyway, Toto, we're home! Home! And this is my room - and you're all here! And I'm not gonna leave here ever, ever again because I love you all! - And oh, Auntie Em, there's no place like home. There's no place like home.
 
But it wasn't a dream. It was a place, and you and you and you... and you were there!

But you couldn't have been, could you? No, Aunt Em. This is a real, truly live place. And I remember that some of it wasn't very nice. But most of it was beautiful. But just the same, all I kept saying to everybody was, 'I want to go home.' And they sent me home.

Oh, but anyway, Toto, we're home! Home! And this is my room - and you're all here! And I'm not gonna leave here ever, ever again because I love you all! - And oh, Auntie Em, there's no place like home. There's no place like home.


And don't let the blizzard turn your lizzard into a wizzard.
 
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