Anna Nicole Smith is DEAD?

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Sean Connery, hell. Make it Hugh Laurie, and I'm in.

So to speak.

It's the cough medicine talking
 
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LibraryLady said:
Sean Connery, hell. Make it Hugh Laurie, and I'm in.

So to speak.

It's the cough medicine talking
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He's in, or you're on, or maybe I don't know what sort of implements you have in mind for dear Hugh.

Enjoy, if it ever comes to that, and until them, remember that Anna Nicole first got famous for showing people her tits.

Do you wanna go there? :confused:

DR
 
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I haven't read all the threads and posts on the death of Anna Nicole, nor do I care to. Until this week, she really wasn't on my radar. However, being home, ill, and with a temporarily very short attention span, I've had time to think about this and there is something that strikes me as a little odd. As I say, this might have been noted elsewhere, and I'm making no claim to originality or profundity.

There seem to have been two reactions on this forum. One is that the world is better off without a woman who exposes her body for a living, even though some expressing that reaction seem to readily admit that they were happy to, um, vicariously participate in that activity. The other is an agressive "why should I care" attitude, oft repeated, which makes the person expressing that attitude appear to protest too much.

I am horrified by Anna Nicole on an entirely different basis. I speak here as a surrogate parent only; I have no biological children. However, it seems to me that a parent, from the time he or she becomes a parent, has a basic obligation to provide for the safety and welfare of that child. Anna Nicole has left a child whose paternity is in doubt (except that Keith Olberman vehemently denies being the father). The putative father with money and power (the lawyer) is denying the grandmother the right to see the baby. I don't know anything about the grandmother, but supervised visitation would probably be safe enough even if she is some sort of monster. All of the reports talk about the huge amount of money that might or might not come to this poor little ping pong ball, but no one seems to speak to the idea of loving, cherishing, and protecting her.

What if the lawsuit is unsuccessful and this little pumpkin turns out to be a pauper. Will there still be a line of putative fathers?

Anna Nicole's first move should have been paternity tests all around and written provisions for the baby's protection. Yes, Anna didn't know she was going to die. My nieces and nephew are parents of extremely cute babies (including Typhoid Bennie--partially responsible for my present weakened state), and I know for a fact that every eventuality short of nuclear disaster is provided for. In one case, I've seen the paperwork. These are young, strong, healthy people who do not abuse their health, yet they have foresight enough.

So I want to make it plain that I am not an Anna Nicole fan. I think she was a lousy mother in this infant's case. I don't know anything about her recently deceased son. I have a natural sympathy for a mother who has lost a child, having been through this in my own family, but I don't know the extent of her responsibility there and have no opinion on it.

But to abuse her because of her career path and to find humor in the death of a new mother--sorry. Don't see it.

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There seem to have been two reactions on this forum. One is that the world is better off without a woman who exposes her body for a living, even though some expressing that reaction seem to readily admit that they were happy to, um, vicariously participate in that activity. The other is an agressive "why should I care" attitude, oft repeated, which makes the person expressing that attitude appear to protest too much.

I am horrified by Anna Nicole on an entirely different basis. I speak here as a surrogate parent only; I have no biological children. However, it seems to me that a parent, from the time he or she becomes a parent, has a basic obligation to provide for the safety and welfare of that child. Anna Nicole has left a child whose paternity is in doubt (except that Keith Olberman vehemently denies being the father). The putative father with money and power (the lawyer) is denying the grandmother the right to see the baby. I don't know anything about the grandmother, but supervised visitation would probably be safe enough even if she is some sort of monster. All of the reports talk about the huge amount of money that might or might not come to this poor little ping pong ball, but no one seems to speak to the idea of loving, cherishing, and protecting her.

What if the lawsuit is unsuccessful and this little pumpkin turns out to be a pauper. Will there still be a line of putative fathers?

Anna Nicole's first move should have been paternity tests all around and written provisions for the baby's protection.
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I think the aggressive "Why should I care?" attitude is a reaction from people that don't care but whose choice is to see it talked about all the time or else disengage from the mass media and it annoys them so they express it. I don't feel that way on this particular issue...it interests me somewhat although I realize there is overkill involved...but I do have that reaction on other issues that I don't care about but that are all over the media, such as the Grammy Awards last night. It becomes a chicken and egg thing to some extent...are these stories so popular because they get so much media attention or do they get so much media attention because they're what the public wants? Or maybe it's both and they feed off each other.

As far as putative fathers go, the one guy was crying for a paternity test long before Anna died. Anna should've taken a paternity test but she refused and I think it's likely because she knew how it would come out and she'd have to give that guy access to the baby. There must have been some awfully bad blood in their breakup. But Anna was a jillionaire and a celebrity and the other guy was a nobody and probably not rich so she was able to get her way for awhile. It would've been interesting to see how long it would've taken the courts to order a paternity test had Anna lived or even they ever would've ordered one. Since she's dead I think it'll come more quickly now.
 
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I think the aggressive "Why should I care?" attitude is a reaction from people that don't care but whose choice is to see it talked about all the time or else disengage from the mass media and it annoys them so they express it. I don't feel that way on this particular issue...it interests me somewhat although I realize there is overkill involved...but I do have that reaction on other issues that I don't care about but that are all over the media, such as the Grammy Awards last night. It becomes a chicken and egg thing to some extent...are these stories so popular because they get so much media attention or do they get so much media attention because they're what the public wants? Or maybe it's both and they feed off each other.
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Was there that kind of reaction to the astronaut in diapers story? I'll have to look at the forums to see.

As far as putative fathers go, the one guy was crying for a paternity test long before Anna died. Anna should've taken a paternity test but she refused and I think it's likely because she knew how it would come out and she'd have to give that guy access to the baby. There must have been some awfully bad blood in their breakup. But Anna was a jillionaire and a celebrity and the other guy was a nobody and probably not rich so she was able to get her way for awhile. It would've been interesting to see how long it would've taken the courts to order a paternity test had Anna lived or even they ever would've ordered one. Since she's dead I think it'll come more quickly now.
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I missed that. As I say, this story wasn't on my radar until my own incarceration. Sounds like the baby might actually have a real father after all. Hope so.
 
LibraryLady said:
Was there that kind of reaction to the astronaut in diapers story? I'll have to look at the forums to see.
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I think it's more likely to be the reaction when celebrities are involved, especially celebrities that are in the news a lot. And it is also often the reaction to events that are in the news a lot, like the Oscars or the Super Bowl. I think it's less likely to be the reaction when it's a random weird thing about an anonymous (or fairly anonymous) person, like the astronaut or the woman that ran away before her wedding and had the whole country searching for her or something like that.
 
nails3jesus0 said:
for some reason I got really sad, I didnt like her much but it hit me hard (???)
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Yeah, I didn't really like her much either. Maybe the purest case of gold-digging in the modern world? Who could admire that? And the hype and all, which I just tend to despise right on its face.

Then her son died in September. A 20-year-old kid. When you are that age - you are supposed to be indestructible. Any normal person should be a bit shocked at his passing. And she had to deal with it, and it's said that there's no sorrow compares to the death of a child. So all of a sudden, she's no longer (to me anyway) this hyped media blonde "thing", but an actual person who has to get through the sudden death of her kid.

Then she dies suddenly. Before she even got to understand the meaning of: Life begins at 40. I know and understand what that means. She missed out on that, and raising her daughter and so forth. Nobody should be checking out at the age of 39.

Partly, society made her what she was, and so maybe some who are really being flip and uncaring about her death are really masking a tiny tiny bit of shared guilt. We stress wealth in this country as the brass ring. Material wealth. That's what she went for. We're sexually repressed, so we have to have magazines displaying naked women for voyeuristic distraction. She participated in that. We love being fed useless glamorous hype about ordinary people so we can build them up, and then knock them down and grind their faces into the dust when we tire of them. She was grist for that mill.

So I must say, Rest In Peace, Anna Nicole Smith. I wish you were still with us, along with your son.
 
Luke T. said:
Yeah. My wife told me about that. Has Rosie followed up on her remarks in light of what happened later that day?
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I can't view the video. What did the Big Giant Head say about Smith?
 
Right on, Library Lady! (And for the record, I said very early on that stories like this are legally significant, even if they are not the most important issues of the day).

While I'm not a big follower of celebrity gossip (I have no idea who Jennifer Anniston is dating or married to right now) I recognize that because it affects our society, it is significant. For better or for worse, celebrities are distinct indicators of what is happening and how attitudes are changing. For example, long hair on men was never significant until the Beatles, but then it became a sort of social rallying point.

And the Anna Nicole thing has taken a new significant legal turn in that it brings up serious legal questions as to whether a possible father has the right to force a DNA test on an infant if the mother is dead. The real father should have at least as much legal authority as the guardians.

Also it brings up the issue (as LL suggests) of whether what you did to become famous should even be an issue. More than 55 years later after Marilyn Monroe showed her breasts in the first issue of Playboy, she is still famous, and probably even significant.

(And I hope your feeling better soon, Bookmistress).
 
hgc said:
I can't view the video. What did the Big Giant Head say about Smith?
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On the very morning Smith died, before anyone knew Smith died, Rosie said:


And if I have to see Anna Nicole Smith one more time on television. That woman and her paternity testing. She can hardly even speak now. She's like a zombie, she can't even speak! She's like

*stares into camera with blank look on her face*

...aiiii...you know. It's a tragedy all around. Her son died. She has this little baby. There's obviously medication or some kind of substance involved.
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I"m puzzled, why do they want to have her DNA for a paternity test? Are they unsure as to if the girl is her daughter?
 
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I"m puzzled, why do they want to have her DNA for a paternity test? Are they unsure as to if the girl is her daughter?
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I think establishing maternity this way is just for crossing i's and dotting t's. What I don't understand is why they need to keep her body and ice for it. The ME has all the blood and tissue samples that anyone could possibly need for the purpose.
 
Tricky said:
And the Anna Nicole thing has taken a new significant legal turn in that it brings up serious legal questions as to whether a possible father has the right to force a DNA test on an infant if the mother is dead. The real father should have at least as much legal authority as the guardians.
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I don't know the law but from a common sense fairness standpoint a guy that was known to have had "relations" with a woman around the time a kid was conceived should have the right to force a paternity test regardless of whether the mother is dead. I don't understand how it could be argued otherwise, although on a board such as this one I'm sure someone will show me.
 
(in extremely poor taste, but funny nonetheless)

At some point in the future, there will be a funeral.
When the body is finally released from the morgue, this is the coffin they'll be using:
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