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Nyarlathotep said:
To be fair to Hammegk, the person who called Fred Phelps patriotic was Mephisto and the question was aimed at him.
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I did call Phelps patriotic. And here was my explaination from #135

Mephisto said:
You're right Nyarlathotep, I was using sarcasm by asserting that both Phelps and Coulter have a sick sense of what is good for the U.S. but that type of humor apparently (almost) goes undetected which I suppose it would if you see Coulter as politically astute or Phelps as a man of God. :)
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Just to make certain that no one believes (among those who would love to believe) that I support Fred Phelps OR his policies OR his religion in any way, shape or form. :)
 
Mephisto said:
I did call Phelps patriotic. And here was my explaination from #135



Just to make certain that no one believes (among those who would love to believe) that I support Fred Phelps OR his policies OR his religion in any way, shape or form. :)
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I know. Though I should have pointed out that you did, mea culpa. My point was that Hammegk wasn't expressing support for Phelps either (that's a brush that NO ONE should be tarred with, unless they actually do support the guy) nor was he under any obligation to answer my question since it wasn't asked of him.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
Which doesn't actually answer the question: "Exactly what definition of patriotism are you using?"
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hammegk said:
I'll just say I'm happy with it, and actually try to apply it in real life. Proud to be an American, and all those dated ideals...
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...Which doesn't answer the question.

-What do you believe?

-What I believe.

-Can you give a bit of detail?

-I'm happy with what I believe.

And what do you mean about "dated ideals?" Not the same ideals of patriotism that, according to you, "served Americans well for the first couple hundred years" and which included near extermination of natives; black slavery, lynchings, and Jim Crow; Japanese-American internment; lack of women's suffrage; and the like? Those ideals?

I'm proud to be an American, too. But I won't sugarcoat the past or long to return to it.
 
Nyarlathotep said:
I know. Though I should have pointed out that you did, mea culpa. My point was that Hammegk wasn't expressing support for Phelps either (that's a brush that NO ONE should be tarred with, unless they actually do support the guy) nor was he under any obligation to answer my question since it wasn't asked of him.
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No sweat, GI. You are right that Hammy didn't support Phelps (as much as my opinions differ from a lot of people here, I think WE ALL pretty much agree what Phelps is).

And in YOUR defense,

"Fred Phelps, the 'God hates America' guy is patriotic to a fault? Exactly what definition of patriotism are you using?"

This was your quote questioning my statement that Phelps was patriotic. :)

I hope I didn't cause any undue ire here, Regnad Kcin. Neither Nyar nor Hammy (:) say that fast three times) defended Phelps in any way. :)
 
zakur said:
Franken "eviscerates" Coulter:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-franken/an-evening-with-ann-coult_b_18529.html

http://midwestvaluespac.org/blog/156/an-evening-with-ann-coulter-with-full-speech
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"But Ann went first, and set her tone for the entire evening. "It was fascinating being here for the demonstrations this weekend," she said with a snotty Darien sneer. "I guess that's why I didn't get clean towels in my hotel room this morning."

There was an audible gasp from the Jews. Ann continued: "I haven't seen so many agitated Mexicans since the World Cup Soccer Games were in L.A." As offended as the diners were, the waiters were pissed. Ann was actually dumb enough to drink her coffee afterwards."
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And what part of, "It's a joke," didn't you understand, Zakur? ;)
 
As a political science student and a Liberal, I've read a lot of the best Conservative writers out there. Ann Coulter is not one of them. Irving Kristol, Roger Scruton, Milton Friedman, and many others are quite good at articulating the Conservative philosoply. Ann Coulter is not.

I don't think Ann Coulter actually understands what a Liberal is. Unfortunately, the same can be said of most of the mainstream Conservatives that I talk to every day.

On the flip side, I meet a lot of Liberals who demonize Conservatives. I try to encourage them to learn more about Conservatism before they criticize it.

One exercise I find useful is to try stating, fairly, honestly, and completely, the opposing viewpoint. If you can't, you don't know enough about it to really criticize it. It's too easy for people to become arrogant in their political opinions, as Coulter is. When you really understand the other side, though, it's difficult to be arrogant about your side.
 
BryanLower said:
One exercise I find useful is to try stating, fairly, honestly, and completely, the opposing viewpoint. If you can't, you don't know enough about it to really criticize it. It's too easy for people to become arrogant in their political opinions, as Coulter is. When you really understand the other side, though, it's difficult to be arrogant about your side.
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I tried your exercise and didn't get too far. Are we summarizing what each side says it is for or we summarizing what each side actually does? I am fed up with both parties - I don't see enough liberalism in the Democrats and I don't see enough conservatism in Republicans (at least not in the ones in charge).
 
Ladewig said:
I tried your exercise and didn't get too far. Are we summarizing what each side says it is for or we summarizing what each side actually does?
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Either way, you should try to get past your first impression of the other side's motives, and try to understand their actual motivations. Conservatives have a very definate economic philosophy, and I think I understand it pretty well. I don't agree with it, but I could state it pretty well, and without name calling. How could I even know if it's wrong if I don't know what it actually is?

I am fed up with both parties - I don't see enough liberalism in the Democrats and I don't see enough conservatism in Republicans (at least not in the ones in charge).
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I would hope that no party ever becomes so rigid that it must be entirely liberal or entirely conservative. Political debate doesn't only happen between parties, it happens within parties, too. I don't see that as a bad thing. I know some people want the political parties to just be a simple choice between A and B, but I have no such expectation.
 
I do have to ask... could anyone that equates Al Franken with Coulter in terms of reliability, please identify any factual errors in his speech?
 
I'd like to hear Ann Coulter write a column on Fred Phelps.
 
I was never one to jump on the man-face thing with Coulter... but now that someone's mentioned the adam's apple... it spooks me.
 
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