And the boats keep coming

bit_pattern said:
If you read it and you're still lost, well, let's just say that me spoon feeding it back to you isn't going to help you any. It would be a waste of my time and yours.
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Exactly. I have gone through this numerous times with Alfie. If he doesn't want to acknowledge something, he will just claim you haven't explained yourself. There are better things to do with your life.
 
One could always just explain themselves rather than keep people guessing. :rolleyes:

It's interesting to me that the point that BP was (supposedly) making is totally irrelevant if the two parties come together. If there was another relevant point, it would be that one I was chasing.

To sum up: the article was irrelevant and/or moot and a total waste of time. But I appreciate the effort. A good try.
 
a_unique_person said:
Exactly. I have gone through this numerous times with Alfie. If he doesn't want to acknowledge something, he will just claim you haven't explained yourself. There are better things to do with your life.
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Indeed. Sometimes it is better to just not engage certain people.
 
A.A. Alfie said:
meh. Your claim, your job.
If I didn't post information and you want to know the point I was making, I will happily provide context. One simply has to ask.
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Come off it. Everyone's familiar with your habit of quoting slabs of text from the Australian/other conservative rags, with little or no comment
 
Evidence please.

btw, I tend to try and steer clear of the so called conservative press due to claims of bias. I put up far more ABC and The Age these days.

And like I said, if the context was obscure (we can all be unclear from time to time) all one needs do is ask and I will happily oblige.

Fail.
 
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You mean content heavy posts like this:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/mor...-1226224287553

12 in two weeks
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Cut and paste efforts like this:

http://www.theage.com.au/world/huge-...218-1p0g4.html


The Age finally makes a report:

Huge toll as overcrowded asylum ship sinks

A boat packed with around 250 Australia-bound asylum seekers sank off Indonesia's Java island yesterday, search and rescue officials said, with efforts to reach survivors hampered by bad weather and heavy seas

A survivor from Afghanistan, 24-year-old Esmat Adine, gave rescuers an estimate for how many passengers were on the boat.

"He did not know exactly how many passengers there were, but he said that four buses with around 60 or more adult passengers each had turned up to the port where they set off," Adine said.

Adine said that he and others survived by clinging to parts of the broken vessel until they were picked up by local fishermen.

He said the boat had been heading towards Australia's Christmas Island
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I could provide a lot more, but find reading your old posts, er, tiresome.
 
A very interesting article from Malcolm Farnsworth in the Drum today.

But note Wayne Swan's words:

"We are offering Nauru because we believe the country is looking to us to work together and because at such times willingness to compromise is demanded - not because we believe Nauru will work."

In that feeble statement, not of any principle but merely of expedient compromise, the Acting PM laid bare the Government's weakness. Since the last election, it has been utterly compromised on this issue. Can anyone be surprised that the December 23 talks produced no outcome?

On this issue, the Government threw its moral compass overboard during last year's election. Since then, Abbott's "stop the boats" mantra has won the day. Labor's mishandling of the East Timor processing policy and the Malaysia arrangement has crippled its credibility on refugee policy. Worse, every opportunity to reframe the debate has been passed up by the Government.

Instead, the Government is trapped by its own political cowardice and prevarication. Once again, it is snookered, this time by its clumsy attempt to triangulate and isolate Abbott. The naivety is stunning. We know where the Opposition stands. We've known for 10 years since John Howard, the Tampa and children overboard.
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This goes to the heart of the claims of poor judgement by this government and the PM in particular.

And then this:

If ever there was an issue that required leadership, this is it. The Gillard Government has not provided it. In the lead-up to Christmas, it merely begged the Opposition to rescue it.

The Government is flailing around on an issue that only causes it political damage. As befits a government that always seems to be keeping one step behind, it has spent most of its time talking about Tony Abbott. Is a complete policy capitulation on asylum seekers next?
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This excerpt alludes to his previously made point that the responsibility for this mess is Gillard's and her government's, and that it is their responsibility to govern, not the coalition's.
 
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A.A. Alfie said:
Both points are obvious and also stated. :rolleyes:

Fail
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You made no points at all. Putting a link and saying "12 boats in two weeks" is making a point?

You started this by criticizing bit pattern for posting text without comment. You do the same thing. Hypocrisy much?
 
Meh.

In the context of the discussion at the time it made perfect sense. If it had not, someone would have asked and I would have answered.

Fail - again.

Any comment on Farnsworth's article.

It seems to me that much of the left side press is also losing patience with her and this government - especially around this policy. Flip flop, flip flop.
 
A.A. Alfie said:
In the context of the discussion at the time it made perfect sense. If it had not, someone would have asked and I would have answered.
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You making not sense of things seems to be a common and problematic theme on this forum.
 
A.A. Alfie said:
meh. Your claim, your job.
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Wow, you really seem to care about the burden of proof at the moment. Too bad your opinions on the burden of proof don't extend to when you make claims. But it looks like lionking has done some of my work for me, but I'll add this post:


A.A. Alfie said:
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...r_greens_and_abc_must_share_boat_death_blame/

Mark Latham knows who is responsible

If now is not the time for the politics of boat people deaths, when will it be time for the Rudd-Gillard Labor-Green-Independent minority government and its ABC propagandists to address this lethal policy?
Former Labor Opposition leader Mark Latham told Sky News’ Australian Agenda program yesterday that the onshore processing championed by the Greens was a “moral outrage”.
He said there was nothing compassionate about encouraging people smuggling.
“The boats sinking and families dying is a direct consequence of the co-called compassionate people who support onshore processing,” he said.
“I just still find it an amazing disconnect between the way in which the Greens and the Labor Left talk about this issue and the way in which reality deals with it.
The Greens don’t care

“You can’t be compassionate and you can’t have a heart, you can’t have a good soul. if you encourage people to get on boats that sink,” Latham said. .
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I don't get the problem here: Again, my point is both expressed and obvious.
This one you provided was about where responsibility lies.

Fail.
 
Wildy said:
Well you certainly told us what Mark Latham thought there, but what are your thoughts on it?
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His line is similar to some of the things I had been saying and you and I had been arguing: That there is a disconnect between the so called "compassionate policies" of the left and the harm they ultimately bring. Add to that where the actual responsibility lies for the tragedy.

Like I said, if it had been unclear at the time all you needed to do was ask.

Now I am asking BP, what his point was, which bits he thought most poignant and why from the Burnside article he posted.
 
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