And the boats keep coming

amb said:
George Orwell's 1984 is alive and well it appears. Force people to live in fly infested country towns whether they like it or not. :p
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You seem angry. You'd rather towns dry up and blow away rather than have new people come in and inject life into the community and economy?

Seems Steinbeck's "Grapes of Wrath" is alive and well.
 
Skepticemea said:
You seem angry. You'd rather towns dry up and blow away rather than have new people come in and inject life into the community and economy?

Seems Steinbeck's "Grapes of Wrath" is alive and well.
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And this is a great argument for not only increasing immigration, but for liberalising skilled migration criteria. So many country towns without health professionals. Tragic.
 
Legend said:
Okay, okay. Let's just pick up the conversation there then.

What amb meant to say is that Australia can't handle the continual influx of wants and needs from immigrants because while it may be a big country, a ton of it is desert.

There. Why am I doing this? I do not know. Maybe it'll make the argument more comprehensively won.
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It is a good argument for limited immigration, particularly Perth and the rest of WA which has serious water shortage problems. I really couldnt speak for the rest of the country on that matter however.

Have measures been improved on that front in the last 4 years ? (since I was in Perth)
 
Legend said:
Okay, okay. Let's just pick up the conversation there then.

What amb meant to say is that Australia can't handle the continual influx of wants and needs from immigrants because while it may be a big country, a ton of it is desert.

There. Why am I doing this? I do not know. Maybe it'll make the argument more comprehensively won.
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From what I understand, through necessity, the majority of settlements in Australia are coastal. So, whilst Australia has the 6th largest area of any continent, it's also a country with only the 6th... largest amount... of... coast...

Y'know. I'm not sure I've anything to add to this argusation.
 
Why the hell was that post moved? I was putting the conversation back on track for God's sake.

Anyway, I repeat: "What amb meant to say is that Australia can't handle the continual influx of wants and needs from immigrants because while it may be a big country, a ton of it is desert."

There, that's where the conversation at if anyone is crazy patient enough to continue it.
 
Can I get someone to show the total migration numbers versus total asylum numbers versus total boat arrival asylum numbers?

Ta muchly.
 
Australia is overpopulated..... LOL that made my day.
 
Okay, I'll have a crack. The Goulburn Valley (and particularly Shepparton) in Victoria has been revitalised in recent years by an influx of Muslim immigrants. There are many other towns in regional Australia which would welcome immigrants, particularly skilled ones.
 
People make the mistake of looking at a map of Australia, then looking at the population figures and compare it with the USA. Gee, almost the same size yet with only a fraction of the population. They don't comprehend that three quarters of this country is desert or semi desert. There is a lack of water, farming land, plus the main capital cities of Melbourne and Sydney which are really bursting at the seams, and where most migrants wish to go can't really take much more population growth. Infrastructure to accommodate many more people is just not there. We are resource rich, but habitual land poor in more ways than one.
 
amb said:
People make the mistake of looking at a map of Australia, then looking at the population figures and compare it with the USA. Gee, almost the same size yet with only a fraction of the population. They don't comprehend that three quarters of this country is desert or semi desert. There is a lack of water, farming land, plus the main capital cities of Melbourne and Sydney which are really bursting at the seams, and where most migrants wish to go can't really take much more population growth. Infrastructure to accommodate many more people is just not there. We are resource rich, but habitual land poor in more ways than one.
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Who here is making this mistake? And you yet again fail to give evidence for your ridiculous "Melbourne and Sydney which are really bursting at the seams" claim.

Bigoted views are not what facts are made of.
 
nvidiot said:
Can I get someone to show the total migration numbers versus total asylum numbers versus total boat arrival asylum numbers?

Ta muchly.
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In the 2010-2011 recordings, 5,175 IMAs (irregular maritime arrivals) arrived. 6,316 arrived by plane to do the exact thing that the IMAs came for. Permanent immigrants for 2010-2011 totalled 213,409. So, as you can see, the issue of "boat people" is an incredibly huge priority for this government and we should base our votes around such a crucial issue to the livelihood of this nation of ours.
 
Gah. I'd just finished writing a post and I find out that the sections I wanted to respond to were sent to AAH. Oh well, I see the discussion has gone on so I'll respond to what's currently in the thread.

lionking said:
I'm just disappointed that the government didn't adopt this policy in the 50s and 60s to keep those southern European leeches out.
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I'm sure a few of those southern Europeans were kept out of Australia at the time simply because they looked too much like a non-white.

Ah, but no, they were probably proper asylum seekers.....
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Not necessarily. Around that time there was quite a bit of legitimate immigration to this country along with those who were deemed to be refugees.

amb said:
George Orwell's 1984 is alive and well it appears. Force people to live in fly infested country towns whether they like it or not. :p
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That's what the government did with my grandmother's family. They were told to go to the Riverland and pick fruit.
 
Since that time those figures are obsolete. Next year if the numbers aren't reduced, and while this incompetent government is in power, the likely hood of that happening are zilch, the figure will be more likely around 20.000.
 
lionking said:
Who here is making this mistake? And you yet again fail to give evidence for your ridiculous "Melbourne and Sydney which are really bursting at the seams" claim.

Bigoted views are not what facts are made of.
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Since it seems that we're still going to talk about this I'll just copy what I wanted to say before and save amb the hassle of having to do actual research:

Sydney has a population density of 2058/km2 in an area of 12144.6 km². This is a population density similar to that of Rome (2,148.5/km2) but is in an area of 1,285.31 km2.

Melbourne has a population density of 1566/km2 in an area of 8806 km2, this is similar to Regensburg (1,678/km2) in an area that is only 80.76 km2.

Shanghai for example has about the entire population of Sydney in a metropolitan area that is half the size of the area I gave above for Sydney, and a population density that is, amazingly only 1.7 times higher than that of Sydney's. Basically claiming that Melbourne and Sydney are "too full" is bollocks.
 



COUNTRY|AREA (km2)|ARABLE AREA (%)|ARABLE AREA (km2)|POPULATION (2005)

Australia|
7617930​
|
6.55​
|
498974​
|
19913144​

Japan|
374744​
|
12.19​
|
45681​
|
127333002​

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You both entered facts into this discussion? That makes three of us. I don't know what we're doing but I feel scared.
 
amb said:
Since that time those figures are obsolete. Next year if the numbers aren't reduced, and while this incompetent government is in power, the likely hood of that happening are zilch, the figure will be more likely around 20.000.
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You project a 200% increase in IMAs? Why?
 
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