And ... Germany Gets Back To Being German

There's one that I can't repeat here about the German who scolds a Glasgow (specifically Partick, a working class area) woman about hitting her child....
 
Thunder said:
learn the new language. adapt to the new dress. adapt to the new foods. but keep your traditions. this is why America's aclimation of immigrants is soo much more successful than Europe's.
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Not this. America is Borg like with cusine because we have none of our own.

Okay, Mcdonalds, but who wants to claim that?
 
WildCat said:
Well that was an accident.
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I'm aware of that, though there have for a long time been doubts and open questions. This page on the city website says a 2004 pre-study concludes that no further research into it is warranted.

But through unfortunate collision of accidents - sign safe had just been given when the bombs were dropped, the water supply was hit so the firefighters couldn't work - the damage was extensive and the number of lives equal to that in Rotterdam.

WildCat said:
Caen, France OTOH...
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Ah, you're trying to detract the discussion to the British. :)
 
Piscivore said:
Not this. America is Borg like with cusine because we have none of our own.

Okay, Mcdonalds, but who wants to claim that?
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except no one CHOOSES to join the Borg.

no one CHOOSES to become Borg, and join the Borg collective.

millions of people have chosen to come to the USA and become Americans.

and accept for the Amish, Mennonites, and some Orthodox Muslims and Jews, everyone pretty much melts into the American culture..and also gives to the American culture.

this is the way it always has been..this is the way it should always be.
 
Thunder said:
a melting pot is always prefereable to multi-culturalism.

immigrants should balance preserving their cultures and traditions, with adapting and merging into the larger society. they change..and the larger society changes with them.

learn the new language. adapt to the new dress. adapt to the new foods. but keep your traditions. this is why America's aclimation of immigrants is soo much more successful than Europe's.
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I would say thats very much Australia's experience too. Each wave of immigration has enriched our society while allowing many to carry the traditions that are dear to them for future generations
 
Thunder said:
except no one CHOOSES to join the Borg.

no one CHOOSES to become Borg, and join the Borg collective.

millions of people have chosen to come to the USA and become Americans.

and accept for the Amish, Mennonites, and some Orthodox Muslims and Jews, everyone pretty much melts into the American culture..and also gives to the American culture.

this is the way it always has been..this is the way it should always be.
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1. Whilst European countries have had no need to see immigration on the same scale as the New World, they have nevertheless seen significant numbers. Germany, for example, has a large Turkish-descended population. Are you saying that this isn't the case or are you trying to suggest that the lack of integration is itself relevant?

2. Yup, you encourage them all. Unless, say, they want to build mosques near GZ. Half a second, though: explain this quota/points/green card system for me?
 
WildCat said:
German is a race?





:bricks:
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you know, just like antisemitism, is not being against semites, but against Jews, so also the word racist changed over time, racism is not only about race, also bigotry against other people nationality for example, is also considered racism.

because there are no different races anyway.
 
Architect said:
There's one that I can't repeat here about the German who scolds a Glasgow (specifically Partick, a working class area) woman about hitting her child....
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A clean joke from the late Glaswegian comedian,Chick Murray.

"I was at the Olympic games and and I saw a man carrying a long stick.I asked him,are you a pole vaulter?
He said,no I am German,but how did you know my name was Walter?"
 
dafydd said:
A clean joke from the late Glaswegian comedian,Chick Murray.

"I was at the Olympic games and and I saw a man carrying a long stick.I asked him,are you a pole vaulter?
He said,no I am German,but how did you know my name was Walter?"
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Sounds like a bit from the Brady Bunch Movie:

Thief: This is a carjack!

Greg: Yes, it is. But my name is Greg, not Jack.
 
Thunder said:
except no one CHOOSES to join the Borg.

no one CHOOSES to become Borg, and join the Borg collective.

millions of people have chosen to come to the USA and become Americans.
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Nevertheless...

The Star Trek writers got the idea for the Borg's relentless assimilation of culture from the spread of American media and corporations into foreign markets.

and accept for the Amish, Mennonites, and some Orthodox Muslims and Jews, everyone pretty much melts into the American culture..and also gives to the American culture.

this is the way it always has been..this is the way it should always be.
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They used to call it the "melting pot", but the more politically correct term is "salad bowl". I'm not sure the "salad bowl" metaphor really works.
 
Chaos said:
Ah, I see... you found your excuse for dismissing criticism of the OP.
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No, it was a tounge-in-cheek (did you see the smiley?) reference to the claims that groups like Hamas aren't racists because Jewish isn't a race.
 
Thunder said:
except no one CHOOSES to join the Borg.

no one CHOOSES to become Borg, and join the Borg collective.

millions of people have chosen to come to the USA and become Americans.
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There is a saying about London and the US:

'People go to America to become Americans. People go to London to be themselves'

We've had thick multi-culturalism for some time now, and seem to be doing fine. The Kebab is now a quintessentially British dish favoured by white Essex kids out on the pull, and the children of Pakistanis run some of our greatest chippies.
 
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plumjam said:
Well, it's a highly complex question.

My point of view is that the notion of society depends on a shared belief among you and your neighbours about what that will mean, and require, in practice.

If, say, you live in Norway (for example), and you and your neighbours ancestors were Norwegian, then there will be a very high level of shared belief about what society is, and what it means in practice.

But then if you get, say, 1 % immigration every year, from Asia, or North Africa, or the Middle East... and gradually your neighbourhood changes, and these new people have their own ideas about what society is, and its implications, and they avoid integrating, or modifying those ideas... then how is that not some kind of cultural invasion?

And more importantly, why should the host society and its members be criticised for objecting to this process? I mean, maybe their culture is just better than the immigrants' culture... e.g. no 'honour killings', arranged marriages, rife misogyny, and 99% literacy versus 60% literacy etc....

I think they have every right to object, without being automatically labelled as racists etc..
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This.
Multi-culturalism has failed in Canada as well.
A melting pot like the US asks people to integrate in society.
That is a better system IMO.
 
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