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Anarchy in Seattle--Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

I think this particular type of hyperbole probably explains why you think the left leaning media is not warping reality. The idea that people have to ask not to be murdered by police is silly and has absolutely no basis in reality. It's extraordinarily easy to not be murdered by police and, yes, this includes people of color.

No it is not.

Cops shoot and kill man holding toy gun in Wal-Mart

Tamir Rice: police release video of 12-year-old's fatal shooting – video

Girlfriend livestreams after police kill her boyfriend in Minnesota

Video shows a South Carolina trooper shooting an unarmed man after stopping him for an alleged seat belt violation. Notice you keep hearing shots after the guy has his hands up and is getting on the ground.



Those are just off the top of my head.
 
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I think this particular type of hyperbole probably explains why you think the left leaning media is not warping reality. The idea that people have to ask not to be murdered by police is silly and has absolutely no basis in reality. It's extraordinarily easy to not be murdered by police and, yes, this includes people of color.

Sure, you can just stay at home and only peer through the window. Oh, no good. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50032290

Okay maybe you should just stay at home, stay away from the windows, and just eat ice cream on the sofa. Oh wait, that won’t work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Botham_Jean

Maybe you should just stay in bed to be absolutely safe. Oh wait, that won’t work either. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...ter-kentucky-police-entered-her-home-n1205651
 
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Current US population: 331 Million

And your quote: “ It's extraordinarily easy to not be murdered by police and, yes, this includes people of color.”

Except for the occasional mistakes that keep happening and happening and happening.
 
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Except for the occasional mistakes that keep happening and happening and happening.

I don't know...the word "infinitesimal" comes to mind.

Really. Some of the cases you posted I am familiar with. I even know a few you've not yet mentioned. Let's say we come up with fifty of them. The population of the US is still 300+ million.
 
Right wingers treating this protest in Seattle like they're never heard of Occupy before.

I don't see any evidence anywhere that this is meant to be a long-term anarchy project. It's a protest using the tactics of occupying the street.

Given that the subject of the protest is the brutality wielded by the police, both generally and specifically in response to peaceful street demonstrations, the peaceful and generally pleasant vibe of the "CHAZ" is stunning rebuke of the SPD. The cops left and people are having a nice street festival, watching movies, dancing, and talking about a better future.

I am curious how long the SPD will let this peaceful insult stand before they strap on the riot gear and scatter the streets with overwhelming force, because that seems to be the only thing they know how to do well.
 
Right wingers treating this protest in Seattle like they're never heard of Occupy before.


It is a little weird. I asked someone the other day, don’t you remember when those hippies lived in the park for a couple months? They had completely forgotten about that.
 
I think this particular type of hyperbole probably explains why you think the left leaning media is not warping reality. The idea that people have to ask not to be murdered by police is silly and has absolutely no basis in reality. It's extraordinarily easy to not be murdered by police and, yes, this includes people of color.



I am starting to see your frustration here. People are losing their minds in some kind of collective hysteria over this issue. We don’t agree on any of the facts, and we are trying to solve the problem that those facts would indicate. It’s like the satanic panic or UFOs or something.
 
Given what is really happening with CHAZ as opposed to what Fox News wants people to think is happening, which strategy for the authorities make more sense? A military type operation with tear gas, rubber bullets and batons, or just wait until everybody gets tired of camping out? After all, it's Seattle. Camping out in the street may be fun in June, but sometime this fall, it's going to start raining. A lot. Do we really think all these people are going to stay in the street when that happens?

Just cut off the coffee delivery. They will go feral in a week.

The problem is I don't trust any media outlet to provide accurate reporting as far as "what is really happening" and "fox news" versions.

So long as nobody is getting injured, let it ride. But as I just said, we don't know what is really going on, and it's going to collapse under it's own weight soon enough. The lack of supplies alone will cause it to end. I would give anyone a pass on any non-violent crime.
 
Just cut off the coffee delivery. They will go feral in a week.

The problem is I don't trust any media outlet to provide accurate reporting as far as "what is really happening" and "fox news" versions.

So long as nobody is getting injured, let it ride. But as I just said, we don't know what is really going on, and it's going to collapse under it's own weight soon enough. The lack of supplies alone will cause it to end. I would give anyone a pass on any non-violent crime.

We do know what's going on. People come and go freely. Journalists have reported from within the CHAZ. Ordinary people are sharing their experience online all over. There's no hard border other than a flimsy barricade stopping traffic.

The right wing reporting on the matter is largely a work of fiction and propaganda.
 
Just cut off the coffee delivery. They will go feral in a week.

The problem is I don't trust any media outlet to provide accurate reporting as far as "what is really happening" and "fox news" versions.

So long as nobody is getting injured, let it ride. But as I just said, we don't know what is really going on, and it's going to collapse under it's own weight soon enough. The lack of supplies alone will cause it to end. I would give anyone a pass on any non-violent crime.

Quite a lot of photos, videos, and commentary coming out regarding the well stocked food pantry there. There's no shortage of supplies, that just one of the myths that ran twice around the world before actual information could get its boots on. We live in the era of unedited live streaming video, I've posted one link already in the thread. You can literally see for yourself, without anyone filtering what you see.

Tweet About Stolen CHAZ Food May Be Fake


A look inside Seattle’s newly-formed ‘Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone’

Reporting early in the afternoon Tuesday, Nicole also described free food and medical aid available for demonstrators on every corner. Some food and supplies were also distributed to the homeless population in the surrounding area. The group even reportedly organized its own garbage collection Wednesday morning.

Also seen at #CHAZ: The “No Cop Co-op,” a little library, a coffee stand and hot dog vendor

One way to think of it is this: When this started, there was huge, hyperbolic misinformation campaign. Fox news and talk radio contributed quite a bit, but much of it was also just a visceral reaction by a lot of people. It ran wild on social media, really wild. And it was not even remotely accurate. No warlords. No food shortages. No declaration of independence. No checkpoints. None of that. Supplies flow easily in and out, as do people. The outside of the police station is been graffitied, but the interior is intact and the protesters don't enter it. Businesses are open.

What it is, is just Occupy 2.0. My guess is that it will fizzle out due to the leaderless nature of the movement - just as the original Occupy movement did. Without clear leadership, the list of demands may just spiral upwards, getting less realistic over time. People who make wild claims in the name of the movement will not be effectively contradicted by the movement because there will no clear leadership to do so.

So I'm not really defending the movement.

But....

The wildly hyperbolic misinformation campaign against CHAZ infuriated me. A lot of conservative people (including news and talk radio) were spreading wild lies and falsehoods with glee. It disgusted me. And it has not totally let up, still a lot of people really think it is incumbent upon the government to use force to end this - this peaceful protest. They want to kill a whole lot of Americans because they can't be bothered to learn what it actually happening, to think that reports of downtown Seattle under the control of a communist warlord just might be hyperbole.
 
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I don't know...the word "infinitesimal" comes to mind.

Really. Some of the cases you posted I am familiar with. I even know a few you've not yet mentioned. Let's say we come up with fifty of them. The population of the US is still 300+ million.

Since the beginning of 2020 six people have been legally executed in the USA after long court proceedings and appeals to establish their guilt and the appropriateness of their sentencing. Twenty-two in all of 2019. But by your own interpretation double that number of innocent people killed by cops by egregious error or malevolent intent can be casually disregarded as “infinitesimal.”

Okay, I guess we just place different values on innocent peoples’ lives. And we have clearly shown the falsehood of the quote: “ It's extraordinarily easy to not be murdered by police and, yes, this includes people of color.”

This has become another distraction from the title thread. Enough.
 
The wildly hyperbolic misinformation campaign against CHAZ infuriated me. A lot of conservative people (including news and talk radio) were spreading wild lies and falsehoods with glee. It disgusted me. And it has not totally let up, still a lot of people really think it is incumbent upon the government to use force to end this - this peaceful protest. They want to kill a whole lot of Americans because they can't be bothered to learn what it actually happening, to think that reports of downtown Seattle under the control of a communist warlord just might be hyperbole.

Yeah, there is clearly a misinformation campaign going on from the right. Maybe I'm just jaded, or overly cynical, but I don't trust the other side to show the unvarnished truth. They also have a motive to give us a dog and pony show.

I'm not sure the truth can ever be known, but if there is no confirmable harm, then ramping up the troops to restore law and order, in a place that already seems to have order, at least, seems to be a bit too aggressive. As we agree, it will eventually fail. So let it do that. If they have a better way of dealing with some of the uglier sides of human nature, we can learn from it and use it.

Of course, as noted, as a leaderless organization, any one can make up a set of "demands" and have just as much legitimacy and any other list. The one I saw, included (#16) "empty its “lost and found” and return property owned by denizens of the city" To whom, exactly? The problem of ownership is why it's in the Lost and Found I would think. There may be something missing but the demand doesn't really explain the problem. Reading the requirements of reclaiming property to be that onerous. Maybe it's a local homeless thing I'm not versed in, being out of state.
 
I watched a video of a preacher being confronted by occupiers in CHAZ. There was a scuffle and lots of shouting. Various websites including crackpot ones are posting the video. Can't find it on more mainstream news sites though. The Blaze website is the first site that shows up on DuckDuckGo. The videos I've seen were edited.

But, but but...

He was a nazi sympathizer ( metaphorically speaking, of course ) at least according to some rando in CHAZ so he actually deserved to be sexually assaulted, choked out and have his semi unconcious body toake to the border and thrown over the wall ( metaphorically speaking, of course ). When the USA sends its people, they’re not sending their best.
 
But, but but...

He was a nazi sympathizer ( metaphorically speaking, of course ) at least according to some rando in CHAZ so he actually deserved to be sexually assaulted, choked out and have his semi unconcious body toake to the border and thrown over the wall ( metaphorically speaking, of course ). When the USA sends its people, they’re not sending their best.

“Metaphorically speaking” meaning completely invented out of whole cloth? Just for the sake of my curiosity could you please indicate what parts of your highlighted post are facts rather than “metaphors?” And what is your source for this information?

Thanks.
 
Okay, I guess we just place different values on innocent peoples’ (sic) lives.

Hahah. Let me guess...you put much more value on innocent people's lives, amirite?

My observation was that rhetoric such as stating that innocent people (of color, I can only presume) have to ask "not be murdered by the police" is hysterical nonsense and is completely untethered to the real state of affairs. You're uncritically falling for and pushing a BS narrative. my suggestion is this may be one of the reasons you don't see left leaning media as warping reality.

And we have clearly shown the falsehood of the quote: “ It's extraordinarily easy to not be murdered by police and, yes, this includes people of color.”

We have?
 

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