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Anarchy in Seattle--Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone

No footage of any armed checkpoints, no interviews with extorted shop owners.

In truth, I am pretty pessimistic about the long-term viability of this. With careful management of the group dynamics, they might be able to stretch it out for a few months, like the Occupy movement all over again. It might fizzle out before then, or run into issues like too much hard drugs, or sanitation issues.

But for now, the worst reportage from the right certainly appears to be mindless hyperbole, at best. Deliberate misinformation at worst.

Every day of the CHAZ is an embarrassment to the police. The police have vacated and vigorous protest activity continues, but there's less chaos and violence. Absent police committing brutality, it turns out these demonstrators are quite peaceful and orderly.
 
I predict it will be the beginnings of a new Renaissance where the human spirit will be developed as never before imagined. A world where art, love, freedom and tolerance unite and judgements and disagreements vanish into thin air.
 
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Seriously, I have friends going down there and reporting back that it's far calmer and more peaceful than the regular street festivals and block parties that take place every year.

But those would call the cops if things got out of hand. Who are these people going to call?
 
My son shared an interesting link with me.

Twitter: In the days since abandoning their East Precinct, The Seattle Police Department has been engaged in a disinformation campaign aimed at delegitimizing protesters, fomenting violence, and repairing their murderous public image.

Here are the details...

You have to hit "show this thread". It's quite the list of false propaganda against the Seattle CHAZone.

Seattle Police officers used public police scanner frequencies to make it appear as if 30 armed white-supremacists were moving towards the East Precinct,
That one is quite egregious so I'm going to seek to verify it.
 
I wondering what the residents on those streets think. I'm not seeing much about what people think who live there. https://reason.com/2020/06/10/seatt...omous-zone-outside-evacuated-police-precinct/
A news crew from the local Fox affiliate was reportedly chased out of the zone by some demonstrators.

Tuesday saw more activity in the zone, with more barricades going up, and some businesses in the area opening up to offer water, bathroom facilities, and food to demonstrators.

This video link show some vandalism still taking place. https://gofile.io/d/IffAr1

I wonder what the "authorities" in CHAZ will do when someone calls 911 from inside the zone? The Seattle police claim they will still provide emergency services.

Ranb
 
I wondering what the residents on those streets think. I'm not seeing much about what people think who live there. https://reason.com/2020/06/10/seatt...omous-zone-outside-evacuated-police-precinct/


This video link show some vandalism still taking place. https://gofile.io/d/IffAr1

I wonder what the "authorities" in CHAZ will do when someone calls 911 from inside the zone? The Seattle police claim they will still provide emergency services.

Ranb
My son used to live right there, Pike and Summit. The protest is Pine next to the Summit cross street running several blocks to the east. Pike and Pine are parallel. I don't think anyone is blocked from getting in and out of their parking or parking garage. Mostly it's businesses that are closed because of COVID 19 anyway. All apartments are accessible from one street over and that includes the cross streets right up to where Pine is blocked off.

Look at the Google street view of Pine and Summit then look east to Cal Anderson Park. I've walked down Pike a gazillion times and it's mostly business fronts. I think Pine is the same.

It's only 4-5 very short blocks. Anyway, I don't think much is blocked off that was open.


As for Fox News getting chased out: :sdl:

Their coverage has been full of lies pushed by the alt-right.

See here for a Tale of Two Cities:

Guardian: Seattle protesters take over city blocks to create police-free 'autonomous zone'
Hundreds of protesters have taken over several blocks of Seattle and transformed it into the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone, or “Chaz”, helping to amplify nationwide protests while offering a real-world example of what a community can look like without police.

The police left and it became a peaceful event with relatively little trouble.


But you'd never know that from dozens of other news media reports including Fox:

Fox News: Seattle law enforcement experts urge police to take back CHAZ before it's too late
Officers effectively abandoned the area during violent clashes with demonstrators calling to defund the police.

Demonstrators have since set up occupancy in that section of downtown Seattle and have renamed it “Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone” (CHAZ)....

Photos of the area show protesters have remained peaceful –* pitching tents, painting, watching outdoor movies and holding gatherings with music and speeches –*
Notice photos.

but police have also said they have received numerous complaints about armed guards surrounding the perimeter and asking residents who live in the area to show ID.

Police have also alluded to the potential extortion of local businesses and citizens....
Which apparently there is no evidence for.

Michael Solan, president of the Seattle Police Officers Guild, told Fox News' Laura Ingraham on Wednesday that the occupy-style demonstrations have gone too far and "is absolutely unreasonable activism."

"We lost a precinct, now, what’s next? Are we going to lose another precinct? The city council has removed our ability to have less lethal ammunition for us to properly protect those facilities and protect ourselves,” Solan said.
Fox interviewee claims "an entire city government has handed over the city to domestic terrorists." :rolleyes:

No one was shaking anyone down, obviously it is not a domestic terrorist group. That man needs to review what the definition of terrorism is.


Re the video, I'm not going to watch 55 minutes. Maybe you could point out some particular segments?

The beginning shows the "vandal" spray painting windows and the sidewalk and a couple of people telling him not to and to respect the businesses.
 
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Let's see what the Seattle media are saying about this:
Seattle Times: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-area-protests-updates-for-thursday-june-11/

Seattle Post-Intelligencer: https://www.seattlepi.com/seattlenews/article/In-the-new-Capitol-Hill-Autonomous-Zone-15330353.php

Robinson Media publications (Capitol Hill Times, Ballard News-Tribune, West Seattle Herald): https://www.westsideseattle.com/hig...-fill-streets-white-center-black-lives-matter

Seattle Weekly: https://www.seattleweekly.com/

The Stranger: https://www.thestranger.com/

(Seattle Daily Journal of Commerce: https://www.djc.com/)

Capitol Hill Seattle Blog: https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/
 
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I wondering what the residents on those streets think. I'm not seeing much about what people think who live there. https://reason.com/2020/06/10/seatt...omous-zone-outside-evacuated-police-precinct/


This video link show some vandalism still taking place. https://gofile.io/d/IffAr1

I wonder what the "authorities" in CHAZ will do when someone calls 911 from inside the zone? The Seattle police claim they will still provide emergency services.

Ranb

I share your skepticism and think people here are looking at this through rose colored glasses. But I alos think the way the right is portraying this as some kind of Paris Commune is ridiculous,
I think the strategy is just let the prorestors have their fun, and evewntually they will get tried and go home.
 
Seattle has apparently ceded control of part of the city, now called the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone (CHAZ) to the protestors.

The NY Times was rapturous:



City Journal was notably less glowing in their coverage:



Well, nature abhors a vacuum.

It's all kind of amusing to watch from afar, but let's remember that Seattle has effectively ceded control over thousands of peoples' lives and property to the mob. And I have the slightest bit of doubt that Raz Simone will prove more accountable to the people than the police have been.

No worse then the right wingers taking ovre federal land in Oregon and Nevada. You seem to have no problem with that.
 
I think the Seattle Strategy is just to sit back and let the thing collapse of it's own weight whiich it will.
Does anybody here think this kind of thing is sustainable long term?
A lot of wishful thinking, the right wing nonsense about it nonwithstanding.
 
I share your skepticism and think people here are looking at this through rose colored glasses. But I alos think the way the right is portraying this as some kind of Paris Commune is ridiculous,
I think the strategy is just let the prorestors have their fun, and evewntually they will get tried and go home.
While you're sharing his skepticism, don't forget to think critically about the rather extensive effort of the alt-right to provide their alternative facts.

You know you want to think critically here. :D
 
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Let's see what the Seattle media are saying about this:
Seattle Times: https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/seattle-area-protests-updates-for-thursday-june-11/
["Seattle-area protest updates: No police reports filed about use of weapons to extort Capitol Hill businesses, Best says"]
Seattle Post-Intelligencer: https://www.seattlepi.com/seattlenews/article/In-the-new-Capitol-Hill-Autonomous-Zone-15330353.php
["In the new Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone, protesters come together to give aid and fight for change"]
Robinson Media publications (Capitol Hill Times, Ballard News-Tribune, West Seattle Herald): https://www.westsideseattle.com/hig...-fill-streets-white-center-black-lives-matter
["Marchers fill the streets of White Center for Black Lives Matter" - note the part of Seattle being discussed is nowhere near West Seattle.]
Seattle Weekly: https://www.seattleweekly.com/
[I have no idea which story you meant to link to, it's not apparent.]

The Stranger: https://www.thestranger.com/
["Residents of CHAZ Respond to the President"]
(Seattle Daily Journal of Commerce: https://www.djc.com/)
[No clue what you were looking for here either.]
Capitol Hill Seattle Blog: https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/
["Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone updates: Friday actions for ‘a new generation’ and a general strike, and yes, CHAZ does, indeed, attract the worst kind of people (Tim Eyman)" - Eyman is a scumbag living off of continual campaigning which now is a ludicrous run against Inslee for governor. I can't believe anyone donates to anything this man is campaigning in, he's been busted stealing campaign funds and he pays himself an outrageous salary.]

Sigh. My comments are highlighted, headlines in quotes.


Aaaannnnd the police chief walks back her claim anyone was extorting money from anyone. She does want the station back and is drumming up reasons why she plans to move back in. In the meantime the crowds tonight are bigger.
 
I have no idea which story you meant to link to, it's not apparent.

No clue what you were looking for here either.
I was linking to local media, not to specific stories. So as to make it easier for those with functioning brain cells to make up their own mind. Obviously, some of the media haven't actually covered the issue (either because they're weekly publications and haven't had time yet or because they're focused entirely on commercial matters, for instance)
 
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I was linking to local media, not to specific stories. So as to make it easier for those with functioning brain cells to make up their own mind. Obviously, some of the media haven't actually covered the issue (either because they're weekly publications and haven't had time yet or because they're focused entirely on commercial matters, for instance)

You think we can't do a Google search? :rolleyes:

Maybe you meant well but that wasn't helpful. I wouldn't have checked the links if this wasn't personal for me since I fell for the morning news reports and they were wrong.

If you wanted to show both sides then show what you are linking to. The facts are becoming very clear, there's a serious alt-right attempt to spread disinformation.
 
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You think we can't do a Google search? :rolleyes:

Maybe you meant well but that wasn't helpful. I wouldn't have checked the links if this wasn't personal for me since I fell for the morning news reports and they were wrong.
I think the amount of BS one has to wade through to get to legitimate local opinion is significant given the usual alt-right fabrication. I'm sorry if you found my efforts unhelpful.
 
I think the amount of BS one has to wade through to get to legitimate local opinion is significant given the usual alt-right fabrication. I'm sorry if you found my efforts unhelpful.

Your intention sounds like it was noble. But the result was less than helpful.

What good is a slew of links that require just as much wading through as a Google search?
 
should be a Libertarians' paradise.

For the Powers That Be, the scariest thing that could happen is for this not to end in a Lord of the Flies scenario.
 
Seems that CHAZ is a misnomer. There is no real consensus of the people there to turn this area into an "autonomous zone". There has been no efforts to set up a distinct governing authority.

The name "CHOP" has been suggested. Capitol Hill Occupancy Protest, which seems more accurate. This isn't about setting up an anarchist utopia. It's a peaceful, longer term protest. The primary goal is the continued protest against police brutality and the movement towards defunding the Seattle PD, not to set up some long-term intentional community.

https://twitter.com/iwriteok/status/1271188269527707660
 
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