American Green Bears

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Many people who are familiar with American history will understand why North American bears don't have red coats. Are there any bears in North America that have green coats?

Wouldn't green be ideal? Why are there well-known kinds of bears that have white coats, black coats, and brown coats, but not any well-known kinds of bears that have green coats?
 
I can't think of any mammals that have green coats.

But I will say that evolution selected out brown/black for a very good reason. It probably has to do with the fact that forests/fields are mostly brown/black... not green.

So such a color blends better for more times of the year.
 
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Singapore Zoo had a problem with their polar bears turning green . That was due to algae in their (hollow fibre) coats, and isn't really what you're asking about, though.
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richardm said:
Singapore Zoo had a problem with their polar bears turning green. That was due to algae in their (hollow fibre) coats [...].
That's interesting and the first time I can recall hearing about that.

richardm said:
and isn't really what you're asking about, though.
Maybe it is what I was asking about? After all, human beings who cannot digest food are in bad shape. Don't we rely on intestinal bacteria? Does it really matter whether a feature comes about directly from one's own genetic code or as a result of symbiosis?
 
"It is a little known fact that, before the advent of Man to North America, the Green Spuce Bear was common in coniferous forests. It was hunted to extinction, along with the Blue Spruce Bear, by native tribes who coveted a bearskin coat in their favourite colour."
Sir Gideon Brussel-Sprout
The Journal of the Royal Society of Liverpool ,
June, 1885
 
That was due to algae in their (hollow fibre) coats
Tree sloths, also. But I don't think they consider it a problem.

I don't know of any green mammals either. What pigments might be available? What pigments do, in fact, provide the colors of mammalian hair? For that matter, what pigments provide the green color of reptilian & amphibian skin?
 
pupdog said:
I don't know of any green mammals either.
How about Michael Moore? Did he vote for Nader when Gore was running? Michael Moore is surely a primate and hence a mammal. He is perhaps green with envy of those who are richer and thinner than he is.
 
I almost forgot that some mammals have green eyes. And I didn't consider if any colorful primate faces include green (isn't there a green vervet monkey?). Nor did I consider if any cetaceans show any green.
 
Some animals are color-blind, so there is less of a need to have a specific color
 
As DangerousBeliefs pointed out, a solid green fur coat is gonna make an animal stick out like a sore thumb, not only in the fall, winter, and spring, when the woods aren't green, but also in the summer, when the woods ARE green--because there are so many different shades of green. Think about it--if you're Evolution, and you have to go rummaging through natural selection's big box of crayons to pick a shade of green for a bear, what do you go with? Pine green, blue-green, spring green, yellow-green, green-yellow, just plain "Green"? At any given moment it's still not gonna match what's currently on most of the trees and shrubs.

Also, trees and grass and bushes aren't a uniform shade of "green", which is why green camo is black-and-brown-and-green splotchy, not U.S. Army green all over.

Also, the "green" part of a forest tends to be up high, whereas the furry creatures tend to live down where it's "brown", by the ground and the tree trunks.

A forest isn't "green", it's black-and-brown-and-green splotchy.

Cetaceans are all of a gray-silver-black-white color because since water filters out all the colors, there's no point in having colored skin.

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Green pigments are actually fairly rare in nature, most birds that look green are actually that color as a result of iridescence, not green pigments. Look at a trogon sometime, you'll know what I mean. And while trogons do live in the most green parts of the world, I laugh openly and cruely at anyone who thinks they're camoflauged.

Camoflauge is only so important to most bears. Outside or north america, sun bears and their lethargic ilk make the perfect real-world counterparts to mr. Pooh. There are no more bears (alas, poor arctodus ) designed as purely ambush predators, and in North America, nothing large enough to threaten them, so camoflauge would be of only so much use.

Polar bears are an exception, and are quite different in terms of behavior than other bears. They live in a place where the land is basically one color (an obvious oversimplification, but close enough), so that they gain something by being well-nigh invisable. Also, polar bears are unlike most other bears in that they are pure predators.

Now, as for your question the reasons why bears being camoflauged at all (even if it wasn't straight green) are as follows (somebody tell me if they're incomple/incorrect I ain't a world class biologist):

-Bears, especially large North American ones, are really outside the size limit where camoflauge works in reasonable environements.

-NA bears do not pursue a lifestyle where camoflauge would be useful, being omnivores for the most part.

-Most mammals can't see in color anyhow.

It also is worth pointing out that not all black bears here are black. many are brown, and on on island, the're actually straight white, just like a polar bear.
 
neutrino_cannon said:
Green pigments are actually fairly rare in nature, most birds that look green are actually that color as a result of iridescence, not green pigments. [...]

Camoflauge is only so important to most bears. Outside of north america, sun bears and their lethargic ilk make the perfect real-world counterparts to mr. Pooh. There are no more bears (alas, poor arctodus ) designed as purely ambush predators, and in North America, nothing large enough to threaten them, so camoflauge would be of only so much use.

Polar bears are an exception, and are quite different in terms of behavior than other bears. [...] they gain something by being well-nigh invisible. Also, polar bears are unlike most other bears in that they are pure predators.

Now, as for [...] why bears are camoflauged at all (even if it isn't straight green):

-Bears, especially large North American ones, are really outside the size limit where camoflauge works in reasonable environments.

-NA bears do not pursue a lifestyle where camoflauge would be useful, being omnivores for the most part.

-Most mammals can't see in color anyhow.

It also is worth pointing out that not all black bears here are black. many are brown, and on on island, the're actually straight white, just like a polar bear.
Thank you. I spat out a quick question and I got an interesting and comprehensive answer. :)

If only the typical self-proclaimed Christian could be so articulate, comprehensive, and patient. ;)
 
The idea said:
Many people who are familiar with American history will understand why North American bears don't have red coats. . .

Somehow I get the feeling that this bit should be amusing (rather than a serious statement) but unless it's a joke about the British I think you'll have to explain it to me.
 
Re: Re: American Green Bears

Agammamon said:


Somehow I get the feeling that this bit should be amusing (rather than a serious statement) but unless it's a joke about the British I think you'll have to explain it to me.

Red coats
American History

Have you had your coffee yet this morning?
Or your tea perhaps? After you've fished it out of Boston Harbor.
:D
 

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