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"Amazing Growing Person"

Hitch said:
I believe the "special zone" makes everything -- not just people -- grow and shink. So the ruler -- or whatever you're measuring with -- would grow or shink and make the person seem to be the same height.

Ooh... it's all very subtle.
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ROFL! Oh, man... this guy who's proposing this - what's his name? Nick Nelson? - has been reading too many sci-fi books. :D
 
Hitch said:
I believe the "special zone" makes everything -- not just people -- grow and shink. So the ruler -- or whatever you're measuring with -- would grow or shink and make the person seem to be the same height.

Ooh... it's all very subtle.
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If that's the claim, then there's no fixed standard of reference. And without a fixed standard of reference, you can "prove" almost anything you want.
 
Originally posted by Gr8wight
I still don't even remotely understand this applicant's claim. As Kramer and Randi always ask: what, exactly, is it he is claiming he can do?
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I think it's essentially this: he's going to take a picture of two objects that are the same size (at least, they are the same size when they're not at the special "vortex" location), and neither of which is closer to the camera than the other, but their images in the photo will nevertheless not be the same size.
 
Yes, I think it's time we toss out the whole photography end of this claim. Of course, he won't accept that, so it'll most likely bring the whole affair to an end.

A photograph proves nothing. If he is insisting that only the photographic "evidence" will constitute a successful demonstration, we cannot accept that, obviously.

And I think his whole point in having people in the pictures (visitors to the site, remember?), is to lure news crews and press persons and make a big deal out of it all.

I would not be surprised if he works for the website that promotes this illusion, or the park itself, in some capacity.

Yeesh.
 
69dodge said:
I think it's essentially this: he's going to take a picture of two objects that are the same size (at least, they are the same size when they're not at the special "vortex" location), and neither of which is closer to the camera than the other, but their images in the photo will nevertheless not be the same size.
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And the JREF will insist they be allowed to observe the test from multiple angles and confirm that the subjects are the same distance from the camera. Which the claimant will object to, and claim that Kramer is being deliberately obstructionist to prevent agreement on a protocol. Then we'll proceed to name-calling and threats of lawsuits.

Please note: my psychic abilities are no better than any claimant and I may be completely wrong.

Edit:
Kramer posted while I was typing. I never suspected that he'd want to eliminate the photographs entirely. I guess the million dollars is safe from me.
 
An Applicant's Confession

Just as I thought.

See the Challenge Application thread.
 
Though now mostly dead,
I Googled Nick and Organ Vortex.

Thought I add:
There, writer Nick Nelson fiddled with a device designed to produce "Mars water." It consists of a small funnel and tube passing through what looks like a petrified bagel. "There is water on the surface of Mars," Nelson says. "There used to be a civilization. NASA's covering it up."

The author of the 2000 book The Golden Vortex, Nelson was in town for a speaking engagement at the museum. "About 20 years ago I came up with a theory of natural portals that UFOs may or may not be using," he says. "If there are UFOs out there, they're probably using the planet Earth the way people in Washington use Oregon to get to California."
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Source
 
Oh my.

It's actually really much worse than I predicted, isn't it...
 
KRAMER said:
Oh my.

It's actually really much worse than I predicted, isn't it...
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Wow.

It's like asking Peter Jackson how he created the effects in Lord of the Rings and him declaring he used real hobbits and a light sabre.

Nuttier than a squirrel's first motion of the day.
 
UFOs are using the planet Earth as an intermediate stop on their way to California?

Of course! It explains so much!
 
Squidd said:
UFOs are using the planet Earth as an intermediate stop on their way to California?

Of course! It explains so much!
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Of course, havn't you seen the notices about the destruction of earth to make way for a galactic superhighway!

IXP
 
Re: far-out, baby, ohhhh, yeah

webfusion said:
I wanna see Nelson do a real growing taller demonstration --
with Mini Me.
minime.jpg
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It's every thing I've hoped for, plus fulfilling my dream of seeing a giant midget.
 
IXP said:
Of course, havn't you seen the notices about the destruction of earth to make way for a galactic superhighway!
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What! When?!

I need to pack my toothbrush...
 
Randi wants to test this claim.

He feels that so long as the applicant agrees to NOT use a wide angle lens, and so long as the two subjects in the picture are the exact same distance from the camera, we should agree to the test. Randi does not care if this is a promotional ploy.

Will the applicant agree to this?
 
KRAMER said:
Randi wants to test this claim.

He feels that so long as the applicant agrees to NOT use a wide angle lens, and so long as they two subjects in the picture are the exact same distance from the camera, we should agree to the test. Randi does not care if this is a promotional ploy.

Will the applicant agree to this?
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Sorry to needlessly complicate things, but how about two cameras, the second one equidistant from the subjects in the opposite direction?

If the Vortex does make people appear larger or smaller it should do the same thing from all angles, right? Since what we're talking about is not simple optical illusion.
 
Randi agrees that your suggestion would indeed needlessly complicate things, and we want to avoid that at all costs.
 
Meter Sticks?

KRAMER said:
Randi agrees that your suggestion would indeed needlessly complicate things, and we want to avoid that at all costs.
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May I make a suggestion? I fear that the subjects being photographed will have incentive to slouch, or not, based on their position. For example, there are visual cues that increase attention to appearance. A mirror is just one example. I believe that it would reduce complications if the protocol were to measure inanimate objects such as a pair of (vertical) meter sticks. I suggest that vortex would have to affect inanimate objects as well since the clothes the subjects wear still fit.

By the way, I commend JREF for wishing to pursue this!

Humble regards,
Gulliver
 
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