Allopathic Medicine!!!

[Carrot Flower King]

I’ve heard this 'pill colour' claim beyond Goldacre. Is he the source of the claim?

I have a memory of seeing it in a Horizon programme about placebo a few years back, as well as reading it in Goldacre.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

It’s diluted until nothing is left but the quack.

And if it was a wigeon, then not even a quack...

 

[Norman Alexander]

And people wonder why I've been calling it Big Supp.

Indeed! A multi-billion dollar industry in the USA alone.

In the United States, the dietary supplement industry’s overall economic impact in 2016 is $122 billion and it continues to grow.

https://www.crnusa.org/resources/economic-impact-dietary-supplement-industry

 

[hecd2]

I have a memory of seeing it in a Horizon programme about placebo a few years back, as well as reading it in Goldacre.

Are you remembering Derren Brown's TV programme Fear and Faith, where he set up an unscientific but nevertheless quite convincing placebo study? If memory serves right he found pill colour had an influence.


http://www.derrenbrowninfo.co.uk/programmes/derren-brown-fear-faith/

 

[bruto]

I had a great grandfather, and grandfather too, both doctors, who supposedly had a bottle of white pills for this purpose. Their contention was that placebo pills should be white. This is entirely anecdotal, of course, but that's what they said.

 

[zooterkin]

In the case of occilococcinum, it's diluted until not even the quack is left.

I think you’re overlooking the one selling you the remedy.

 

[Carrot Flower King]

Are you remembering Derren Brown's TV programme Fear and Faith, where he set up an unscientific but nevertheless quite convincing placebo study? If memory serves right he found pill colour had an influence.


http://www.derrenbrowninfo.co.uk/programmes/derren-brown-fear-faith/

Pretty sure it was Horizon; never watched any Derren Brown.

 

[welshdean]

For those interested, search for the video
BBC Horizon, Homeopathy - The test.

 

[arthwollipot]

This one?

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8991013/

Honestly, I'm not sure, and I'm not about to go back through three years of podcasts, entertaining and informative though they are, to verify it. I'm reporting from memory and may get specific details wrong - the main point is that any "mind over matter" effects claimed for the placebo effect are in fact little more than uncontrolled variables.

 

[Caroline13]

 

[Norman Alexander]

Good! You found the smilies.

 

[Steve]

Good! You found the smilies.

"Good" is the wrong word.

 

[JesseCuster]

A glass of water does NOT get me to sleep. And I worked up a sleep combo about close to 30 yrs ago when I went thru menopause...So much changes at this point in our lives. I'm never without Calms, Inositol, 1mg Melatonin, L thyptophan and B6 which is all for my 8-10 hrs of healing sleep.

Continued good sleep with your glass of water.

You take five different supplements for something as basic as getting a normal night's sleep? Wow.

 

[Norman Alexander]

You take five different supplements for something as basic as getting a normal night's sleep? Wow.

Addicted to the names. They sound "sciency" so they must be good. More dihydrogen monoxide in your scotch?

 

[Steve]

You take five different supplements for something as basic as getting a normal night's sleep? Wow.

Seems like a drug dependency to me.

Drug, def.: a medicine or other substance which has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body.

 

[Caroline13]

Indeed! A multi-billion dollar industry in the USA alone.

https://www.crnusa.org/resources/economic-impact-dietary-supplement-industry

Good good good, BIG pharma needs to be knocked down from their throne. But they will always be on top thanks to all the sheeple.

 

[Caroline13]

You take five different supplements for something as basic as getting a normal night's sleep? Wow.

What is NORMAL night's sleep? Are you 82 live in chronic pain from OA and hip replacement damage? Thank goodness I've never ventured to the Ambien sleep walk, cook, drive drug millions take for sleep.

 

[Caroline13]

Seems like a drug dependency to me.

Drug, def.: a medicine or other substance which has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body.

No it's a supplement dependency. Thank you very much.

 

[Steve]

No it's a supplement dependency. Thank you very much.

If a supplement has a physiological effect it is a substance that has a physiological effect. Which falls under the definition of a drug. Upon which you are dependent. Your wordplay is infantile.

And why are you thanking me?

 

[Caroline13]

Sarcastic thank you I guess.

I sleep 8-10 needed sleep so this is good...I have no hang overs, no side effects and don't get up and cook and walk in my sleep.

How do you sleep, Steve...are you a perfect night sleep person?