Allopathic Medicine!!!

Caroline13 said:
How many is many? I've been on replacement forums from all over the world, and talked and hear stories from MANY MANY MANY and I don't have a count...

How many have your talked to? What is your Many?
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Of course there is a huge selection bias in those forums, because people with good results like my mom, grandfather, and several coworkers don't go on forums to talk about their experiences.
 
Caroline13 said:
I don't buy your numbers, I don't buy numbers period..so much we don't know that goes on in the world anyway and to count on numbers???? omg...
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This from someone who has already demonstrated that they don't know how the NHS works...Nor how science works...

We're not selling you the NHS data (we already have a government that would like to do that), but it is real and carefully collated by the likes of me or my sister and hosts of other clinicians filling in loadsa forms with loadsa data points and outcome codes and all sorts. We have one of the best healthcare data sets in the world, which is precisely why so many drug companies and private healcare providers are keen to get their mitts on it.

And I've already trumped your hip anecdote with my parents' careers - their anecdotal experience would tie with the figures you "don't buy".
 
Naw, Carenline's got a point. Watch out for them numbers. They can add up to trouble.
 
bigred said:
I'm not sure whether to scold people for beating up a 10 yr old or laugh at being duped by a troll....but this at least had mild entertainment value (briefly).

Well I'm off to take my ginko balboa and deer antler supplements.
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Several of us have made comments about the possible nature of certain posters, but we got banished for being too specific.

And as specific responses to specific claims are never answered by the claimee, I'm tending to view it as a general rebuttal or refutation or whatever, just to keep the record straight.
 
Caroline13 said:
How many is many? I've been on replacement forums from all over the world, and talked and hear stories from MANY MANY MANY and I don't have a count...

How many have your talked to? What is your Many?
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I thought you did not like numbers?
 
bigred said:
I'm not sure whether to scold people for beating up a 10 yr old or laugh at being duped by a troll....but this at least had mild entertainment value (briefly).
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I take it you are familiar with the term "chew-toy"? It's sorta fun watching them dig themselves deeper into very hole they started in, in the vain hope they can convince us they will come out in China. Like so many before.

Well I'm off to take my ginko balboa and deer antler supplements.
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Want to fell (ahem) horny, eh? ;)
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Age ain't nothin' but a number.

You kids think you're so clever with your "data" and your "facts" and your "statistics". Well. Get off my lawn of "Truths". Or something.
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When I hear that from people's mouth, it's nothing but a number, I can about scream....

Oh if I could only do what I did at the numbers 40, 50 and 60's...I'd be in heaven or pretty high.
 
Norman Alexander said:
I take it you are familiar with the term "chew-toy"? It's sorta fun watching them dig themselves deeper into very hole they started in, in the vain hope they can convince us they will come out in China. Like so many before.

Want to fell (ahem) horny, eh? ;)
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Norman, I took some deer antler supps years back and then when a great doc did labs on DHEA, and found how the tank was pretty low, I've been taking DHEA for over 20 yrs..he tested me at the age of 60, DHEA starts to decline at about 20 on.

I may have a thread here on Libido and DHEA or maybe it's on another group I'm on.

Why isn't there a thread like:

Other Than Allopathic Medicine
 
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Caroline13 said:
Norman, I took some deer antler supps years back and then when a great doc did labs on DHEA, and found how the tank was pretty low, I've been taking DHEA for over 20 yrs..he tested me at the age of 60, DHEA starts to decline at about 20 on.
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Whatever supplements you are taking, you look to be taking too much. Would you like to wait until the effect wears off and then form these words into a coherent sentence?

I may have a thread here on Libido and DHEA or maybe it's on another group I'm on.
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Planet, not group.

Why isn't there a thread like:

Other Than Allopathic Medicine
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All the other threads here are "other than allopathic medicine". There's no such thing as "allopathic" medicine. That is entirely a made-up theory by homeopaths, like "fairy dust". Thought that had been made clear to you. Clearly you need more practice in comprehension.
 
Caroline13 said:
When I hear that from people's mouth, it's nothing but a number, I can about scream....

Oh if I could only do what I did at the numbers 40, 50 and 60's...I'd be in heaven or pretty high.
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Hmm. I thought you were the one who didn't buy numbers.
 
Caroline13 said:
Norman, I took some deer antler supps years back and then when a great doc did labs on DHEA, and found how the tank was pretty low, I've been taking DHEA for over 20 yrs..he tested me at the age of 60, DHEA starts to decline at about 20 on.

I may have a thread here on Libido and DHEA or maybe it's on another group I'm on.

Why isn't there a thread like: Other Than Allopathic Medicine
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Because nobody started one. You can do it, if you want one.

Hans
 
Norman Alexander said:
There's no such thing as "allopathic" medicine. That is entirely a made-up theory by homeopaths, like "fairy dust".
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Well, not quite. The medicine that Hahnemann derided as “allopathic” was based on the concept of balancing ‘humours’, and the idea that introducing an opposite effect would cure the patient. Modern medicine doesn’t do this, of course, but there are systems that rely on the same ideas still in use. In India, for example, they have Ayurveda and Unani. Ayurveda calls its humours “doshas”, and has three of them instead of four, but the founding principle is the same. Unani is in fact essentially the same Hippocratic/Galenic medicine that prescientific European medicine was based on. Ironically, they are both administered by the same Indian government department as homeopathy.

See also TCM, although that only has two humours.
 
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Mojo said:
Are you thinking of the 1955 Beecher “powerful placebo” paper?
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Again, I do not recall the specific details. I'm pretty sure this is one of the ones that were discussed over the course of many episodes. There were others. An example is below.

steenkh said:
Placebo is not bad in itself. There are many conditions that cannot be helped, but if a placebo treatment helps, then that is much better than no treatment at all.
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Except when you take into account measurable outcomes, rather than subjective self-reports.

There was an asthma study where placebo inhalers were tested against ones with active ingredients. Again, no cite because I'm going from memory. It was widely reported that the people in the placebo group had significant improvement over the control group. Except that what improved was the patients' self-report of their condition. When actual lung function was measured, there was no difference. The only thing that actually changed is that the patients said that they felt better even when by objective measures there was no significant improvement.

So yeah, I guess you could say that people thinking they feel better is a better outcome than people not thinking they feel better, but surely actual improvement is what we're interested in?
 
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