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Allopathic Medicine!!!

Trebuchet

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Apparently it's awful. And yet...
I have a new grand-nephew, born last night or early this morning to my nephew and his partner. I expect that, as usual, she did most of the work!
Born by emergency C-section, two months premature. Three pounds.
Breathing on his own and beginning to eat. Has a good prognosis of a long and normal life.
Because of "allopathic" medicine. Which in sensible circles, is simply "medicine". Because it works.

Some on this forum would have denied him the benefits of modern medicine. **** you all!
 
Trebuchet said:
It's not the birth that has caused me anger, but idiots on this forum!
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You should totally write a card for your nephew, explaining how his birth filled you with anger towards people who had nothing to do with him.

You could give it to him on his sixth birthday, maybe. "Happy birthday! Your birth pissed me off for reasons that have nothing to do with you (except they kinda do), so here I am to tell you about it."
 
Being present only in homeopathic quantities makes your grand-nephew far more potent.
 
Allopathic and surgeries etc definitely have their place in the health world. And they can save lives, help bring life in and can cause deaths.

Glad your little baby made it and has a good health life ahead.

There are 1000's, maybe millions of stories out there and I know how damaged I am from a surgery in my late years, hip replacement. My daughter had to give birth to a 8 month still born so there are mega amounts of stories we can tell. You know what a still born is? Giving birth to a dead baby. Baby Jack had a memorial service...

And amazing how the word idiot is used so much on this forum...

And for whatever it's worth, I was born in the kitchen in my parent's apt in 1938 with an MD handy. Millions have been born at home, in the woods, and every place before modern hospitals.
 
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Congrats on the new grandnephew. Hooray he's doing well. How's Mom doing? Sounds like Mom or Baby had issues that they needed to take the baby out early.

Who are you fussing about though? Huh? WTF? What idiots on the forum caused you to complain?
 
Trebuchet said:
..."allopathic"...
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I have the attitude that anyone uttering that word deserves a punch in the mouth, because the only people who use it are those who support homeopathy and other scams.

And excellent news on your grand-nephew!
 
Yay for grandbabies!

And if medicine can co-exist with "alternative medicine" and "alternative medicine works" then the alternative medicine (pseudoscience) must exist in homeopathic amounts, therefore cancelling itself out.
 
The Atheist said:
I have the attitude that anyone uttering that word deserves a punch in the mouth, because the only people who use it are those who support homeopathy and other scams.
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A lot of them support systems that actually are allopathic, such as Ayurveda, Unani, or TCM.
 
Most homeopaths equate "allopathy" with "modern medicine". That is in fact a mistake.

Allopathy is simply a backwards variant of homeopathy. Whereas homeopathy treats symptoms with remedies that (supposedly) invoke those symptoms. allopathy treats symptoms with remedies that (supposedly) depress those symptoms. But both theories are demonstrable nonsense.

In reality, allopathy is simply another swear-word invented by by the godfather of homeopathy, Hahnemann, to deride those whom he felt were entirely misrepresenting his own crazy pet theories, and making money off suckers where he wasn't. He created the word when modern medicine was only in its infancy, which is why it has hung around so long. But allopathy as he defined has nothing whatever to do with how modern medicine works or its theories. So those who continue to use the word in that context are uneducated fools. Aka homeopaths.
 
Caroline13 said:
And for whatever it's worth, I was born in the kitchen in my parent's apt in 1938 with an MD handy. Millions have been born at home, in the woods, and every place before modern hospitals.
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What were the rates of infancy deaths then? How many mothers dies giving birth?
 
How about you send your new grand-nephew a birthday card? Say in it that it will be the only card he will get for his REAL birthday. Every other 'birthday will be for his birthday anniversary.

It is common to send cards congratulating the mother on the birth.
 
Caroline13 said:
Allopathic and surgeries etc definitely have their place in the health world. And they can save lives, help bring life in and can cause deaths.

Glad your little baby made it and has a good health life ahead.

There are 1000's, maybe millions of stories out there and I know how damaged I am from a surgery in my late years, hip replacement. My daughter had to give birth to a 8 month still born so there are mega amounts of stories we can tell. You know what a still born is? Giving birth to a dead baby. Baby Jack had a memorial service...

And amazing how the word idiot is used so much on this forum...

And for whatever it's worth, I was born in the kitchen in my parent's apt in 1938 with an MD handy. Millions have been born at home, in the woods, and every place before modern hospitals.
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If we are trading anecdotes (yet again), my late mother was born in 1932 and would have died if born at home rather than in hospital, what with Rh stylee problems and requiring a pretty much instant blood transfusion (she was given her middle name after the nurse who supplied the blood and none of us have forgotten that).

My sister had a stillbirth and 2 miscarriages before my niece and nephew were both successfully born in hospitals by elective caesarians, so don't bother trying to patronise me on that score, as many of us know fine well what these things are.
 
Caroline13 said:
Allopathic and surgeries etc definitely have their place in the health world. And they can save lives, help bring life in and can cause deaths.

Glad your little baby made it and has a good health life ahead.

There are 1000's, maybe millions of stories out there and I know how damaged I am from a surgery in my late years, hip replacement. My daughter had to give birth to a 8 month still born so there are mega amounts of stories we can tell. You know what a still born is? Giving birth to a dead baby. Baby Jack had a memorial service...

And amazing how the word idiot is used so much on this forum...

And for whatever it's worth, I was born in the kitchen in my parent's apt in 1938 with an MD handy. Millions have been born at home, in the woods, and every place before modern hospitals.
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You just can't manage to shed that survivor fallacy, can you? You know, we are descended from ancestors born without any medicine at all, millions were born in the muddy fields by enslaved mothers, etcetera etcetera, and yes, the ones who did not die got to say "I survived." Even the worst plagues leave plenty of survivors. To trivialize the seriousness of them by pointing out that you got through is, indeed, not only idiocy but dangerous idiocy.

Your anti-surgery rant conflicts with your still birth rant, as well as your links to organizations that oppose abortion. Have you actually thought this through?

e.t.a. I almost forgot, as long as anecdotes are flying around, I'll meet yours and raise you one: I was a "placenta previa" baby, born prematurely by caesarian, and my mother nearly bled to death. It should hardly be necessary to point out that had she been a dupe of the kind of thoughtless, igorant, anti-scientific garbage that seems never to go away, our stories would have ended in 1947. She lived into her 90's. I'm doing pretty well too. Three cheers for allopathic medicine.
 
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“When I was born, I was born on my mama's kitchen table, what do you think about that, girl?”
"Uh, well, I don't think I’ll be eating at grandma's anymore..”
 
Added note to Caroline: if the choice of words describing your ideas bothers you, one possible approach (which I realize is difficult) would be to imagine for a moment that others know something you don't, and to try to learn something new from them, instead of diving back down the rabbit hole.

Added note to the prestige: get a grip. You're not usually guilty of bumper-sticker truisms. Be careful not to fall into the trap Caroline has set: to bask obliviously in privilege.

It is possible to do two things at once. To be annoyed or angry at the thought of how tenuous good science is when faced with the kind of goop that people like Caroline peddle, is not being angry at a successful birth. Nor is being angry and disappointed at the thought of how many people in the world cannot enjoy such benefits. For some of us, at least, it is possible to be happy about a good thing without enclosing ourselves in a little bubble and forgetting the rest of the world, and it is possible to be happy about our great good fortune without losing sight of the fact that it is, indeed, great good fortune.
 
steenkh said:
What were the rates of infancy deaths then? How many mothers dies giving birth?
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Reading the tables on this site, infant mortality appears to have been about 50 per 1000 live births at that time. Maternal mortality about 400 per 10,000 live births. Compared to around 5 and nearly none, respectively, by the 1990's. Thanks to that horrible modern medicine.
 
turingtest said:
Caroline doesn't do stats, she only does stories. And that lack isn't just something missing from her method, it's the sum of it.
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I don't buy stats as MOST are manipulated by and for the stat takers...I don't care about stats. I'm crippled from hip replacement and boy did I read the stats pre surgery.
 
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