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All things Trump + Russia Part 4

G 3 Since Italy PM agrees with Trump....

Gee another wannabe authoritarian leader who might have well been elected with Russian Money side with Trump and Putin. Whtta surprise.
 
If you have some time and interest in learning more about Carter Page and coffee boy George Popadopolous, I recommend this:

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/trumprussia:-secrets,-spies-and-useful-idiots/9857934

Secrets, spies and useful idiots: part two of Four Corners' special investigative series.

"I'm just a sacrificial lamb for people who are looking for a false story to tear down the Trump campaign." Carter Page, former Trump adviser under investigation

On Monday, Four Corners reveals the story of two key players central to the allegations of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

"Unfortunately, Carter Page fell right into the trap, he walked right into the lion's den, dragging the rest of us with him." Former Trump campaign national security director

Carter Page and George Papadopoulos both served as foreign policy advisers to Donald Trump during the Presidential campaign. Both have come under investigation by the FBI and the special prosecutor examining Russia's interference in the election.

Both were targets of Russian spies.
 
Trump associate Roger Stone reveals new contact with Russian national during 2016 campaign

Stone and Caputo said in separate interviews that they also did not disclose the Greenberg meeting during testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence because they had forgotten about an incident that Stone calls unimportant “due diligence” that would have been “political malpractice” not to explore.

Caputo said that he was asked during a session with the committee in July whether he’d ever been offered information about the Clinton campaign by a Russian, and he either answered “no” or that he could not recall.

However, Stone and Caputo said their memories were refreshed by text messages that Caputo said he no longer has in his possession but was shown during a May 2 interview.

Caputo’s attorney on Friday sent a letter amending his House testimony, and he plans to present Caputo’s account of the Greenberg incident to the Office of Inspector General for the Department of Justice, which has announced it is examining the FBI’s use of informants during the Russia probe. Stone said his attorney has done the same.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.251dd36617bd
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(bolding mine)

Using a tweet to comment:

"Who among us hasn't met w a Russian demanding $2 million for dirt on a political opponent, failed to report the offer to the FBI & then forgot all about it for 2 yrs while everyone was asking about contacts with Russians?"

https://twitter.com/esquires1215/status/1008339507966509056
 
If I'm to believe certain "skeptics", this is hysteria generated by the media that's sweeping up "ordinary Russian citizens" and even ordinary Americans of Russian descent. Ordinary Russian citizens offering dirt on Clinton to the Trump team -- yah sure.

Three months after this encounter, Stone predicted that Podesta would soon be in the hot seat. How very prescient.

If collusion can be proven, the path will go through Stone and Manafort.
 
varwoche said:
If I'm to believe certain "skeptics", this is hysteria generated by the media that's sweeping up "ordinary Russian citizens" and even ordinary Americans of Russian descent. Ordinary Russian citizens offering dirt on Clinton to the Trump team -- yah sure.

Three months after this encounter, Stone predicted that Podesta would soon be in the hot seat. How very prescient.

If collusion can be proven, the path will go through Stone and Manafort.
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The reason your side is having such a tough time with this narrative is Because Russian Collusion is a very narrow term. There is zero evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with the Russian government to hurt hildabeasts campaign. Then of course most of these campaign people could have mistakenly accepted this kind of information or not handled it correctly, either way it’s going no where.
 
What was the point of the Magnitsky/Trump Tower meeting if not to suggest or ask for a quid pro quo?

Donny Jr's claim the Russians had nothing to offer is specious on logic alone.

If the Russians had hacked DNC emails, which we know they did, why approach the Trump team at all? It's not like they needed Trump to do anything before the Russians could pass those emails onto Wikileaks.


Manafort was out there getting the GOP Ukraine platform changed in his effort to get square with his millions in debt to whichever Ukrainian-Russian oligarchs he owed the money to.


Giuliani was getting leaks from the NY FBI office about Weiner's laptop, as was Nunes.
[June 15th, TPM:] Last night on Fox News, Rep. Devin Nunes explained that in late September 2016, “good FBI agents” came to him and told him they’d found the Weiner laptop with Huma Abedin’s emails with Secretary Clinton.
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Flynn was acting as a foreign agent of Turkey, per Yate's warning and per his belated registering as an agent of Turkey.
“The new documents show Inovo wrote six-figure checks to Flynn's firm in September and October as he served as a top national security aide on Trump's campaign,” USA Today reports. “The final payment of $145,000 came on Nov. 14, 2016, just days after Trump captured the presidency.”...

On Election Day, The Hill newspaper published a Flynn op-ed that called Gulen "radical cleric" and said the U.S. government should "not provide him a safe haven." In its filings with the Justice Department, Flynn's firm said the op-ed was not published at the request of Inovo or the Turkish government but said Inovo did review a draft before Flynn submitted it.
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Cohen was stuffing his LLC bank account with bribes from a Russian oligarch's firm as well as Novartis and Korea Aerospace Industries.


Kushner suspiciously went on a trip to hang out with the Saudi Prince just before some Israeli intelligence seems to have played a role in the Prince's coup. Kushner, of course, was seeking a bailout of his underwater NY office building.


Ivanka gets trademarks from China and Trump gets a cash infusion into a Trump complex in Indonesia about the same time Trump moves to rescue the sanctioned Chinese telcom.


Russia is but one aspect of the Trump crime family. I don't see the news media connecting all these dots together but it's about time they did.


Edited to add, and that Stone stuff (see Varoche's post). I'm sure there's more I've left out.
 
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Is this new? I thought we knew about this in 2016.
Maybe I lost track...
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To some degree. It is a little hard to keep track of which cases of the more assorted things are more suspicious, though. I probably should have noted that the value here was more in illustrating how sketchy a bunch of the deals were.
 
Aridas said:
To some degree. It is a little hard to keep track of which cases of the more assorted things are more suspicious, though. I probably should have noted that the value here was more in illustrating how sketchy a bunch of the deals were.
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A useful interactive summary on CNN

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2017/politics/russia-investigations/#/

ETA: And a longer list - the timeline that I referred to earlier, but which now has over 1000 entries:


https://investigaterussia.org/timelines/everything-we-know-about-russia-and-president-trump
 
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So, Daily Kos headline How Putin Turned Trump (It Was So Easy) caught my eye.

It's based on an interview of Malcolm Nance. Since I don't expect everyone to follow the link, I'll repeat a couple of the most salient points.

Who does the KGB like to target, as paraphrased from an actual former KGB agent?

“The type of person we tried to recruit were self-absorbed narcissists who were insatiably greedy. And these are the kind of people that you can manipulate. You massage their ego.”
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And the shot -

Nance also describes a moment where, to someone who understands this process, it seemed clear that Trump had been recruited and manipulated.

Donald Trump, in 2013, had a 2 hour meeting at a restaurant in Moscow… with the 12 richest oligarchs of Russia, including a personal representative of Vladimir Putin. When he came out he was spouting the Kremlin party line ...
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