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All Our Energy Problems will be Solved!

Fair enough.

I don't understand the suggestion, though. Can you elaborate on what you're looking for?

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I was suggesting if we had the technology to visit a black hole and harvest energy, we should have the technology we need to meet our energy needs without making the trip to a black hole.

I would be interested in a scenario where this would not be true..
 
I was suggesting if we had the technology to visit a black hole and harvest energy, we should have the technology we need to meet our energy needs without making the trip to a black hole.

I would be interested in a scenario where this would not be true..

All such scenarios would be highly speculative. I've already given one, though: An advanced Kardashev Type II civilization that wants to increase its energy consumption by orders of magnitude, in order to bootstrap itself into Type III territory.

I've also given an analogous scenario: Having the technology to mine uranium and harvest energy from it doesn't mean we can't put that energy to good use, and do even more things with it than we were able to do without it.

Currently we're rationing our energy consumption for ideological/superstitious reasons. But the fact that we are currently getting by without using a lot of uranium energy doesn't mean we couldn't use it to do more than we're currently doing.
 
Speculative is the key word and pretty much defines the OP..

If we are visiting black holes, I would suggest we would be getting a boatload of energy ( with a lot to to spare ) from somewhere..
 
I never claimed that..

You have lost track, or never paid attention to my first post in this thread.

My question is, if you already have the resources/energy/technology to visit a black hole and harvest energy, what would be the point?

You would already have all the energy you need to do almost anything.
 
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I never claimed that..

You have lost track, or never paid attention to my first post in this thread.

My question is, if you already have the resources/energy/technology to visit a black hole and harvest energy, what would be the point?

You would already have all the energy you need to do almost anything.

There is a built in assumption that harnessing more energy is better. To date, most human cultures have reflected that assumption.

It seems like you are suggesting that at some point we will have enough energy and not really need more. I think that it an optimistic position, but I can't fault it. We are not too far removed from "more food is better" and yet the richest among us strive to limit their consumption.
 
Speculative is the key word and pretty much defines the OP..

If we are visiting black holes, I would suggest we would be getting a boatload of energy ( with a lot to to spare ) from somewhere..

Okay, how about this:

My civilization has developed a Grand Unified Theory and unlocked the secrets of the Alcubierre drive. However, manufacturing the fuel requires stupendous amounts of energy. Over thousands of years, my civilization painstakingly harvested enough energy from our home star to send two Alcubierre ships to the two nearest neighboring stars. Once there, each of these ships spent thousands of years harvesting enough energy to power two more ships for two more short hops. Slowly but surely, over the past one hundred thousand years, my civilization has been painstakingly leapfrogging a growing fleet of Alcubierre ships towards the supermassive black hole near the center of our galaxy.

Once we get there, though? Everything changes. The energy given off by the black hole's infalling accretion disk is ridiculous. Like orders of magnitude more energy than we can get from any one star. Within a decade of arrival, each of our ships is able to harvest enough energy for several long-range hops. Our ability to rapidly build advanced equipment and infrastructure increases exponentially.

For the past hundred thousand years, all we did was make our way, step by slow step, to the center of our galaxy, harvesting a fraction of the energy put out by the stars along the way. In the next hundred thousand years, we will visit every corner of our galaxy, and tap every star in it.

What will we do with all that energy? Build stuff. Feed our growing population. Fight wars, probably. Create art and entertainment. Further explore the limits of the high-energy and small-scale physical regimes. At some point we'll set out for Andromeda - something that wouldn't really have been practical if we restricted ourselves to merely harvesting from stars.

After that? The Virgo supercluster and all the energy in it is our oyster. Then the Pisces–Cetus Supercluster Complex. Ultimately, we intend to pierce the empyrian, and travel to those regions of the universe that have been causally disconnected from ours by the expansion of space.

Nobody knows what we'll find there, which is the main reason we're going. Whatever it is, it will probably suck balls though. Because in the end, our reach always exceeds our grasp, and hubris ever begets nemesis.
 
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There is a built in assumption that harnessing more energy is better. To date, most human cultures have reflected that assumption.

It seems like you are suggesting that at some point we will have enough energy and not really need more....

No, I am suggesting that if we have the resources/energy/technology to visit a black hole and harvest energy, acquiring energy in that manner would not be necessary and possibly a waste of resources...


@RecoveringYuppy
Because it's there, huh?
 
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No, I am suggesting that if we have the resources/energy/technology to visit a black hole and harvest energy, acquiring energy in that manner would not be necessary and possibly a waste of resources...


You object earlier when I assumed you meant we could this amount of energy somewhere else, but how else is this supposed to be interpreted?
 
No, I am suggesting that if we have the resources/energy/technology to visit a black hole and harvest energy, acquiring energy in that manner would not be necessary and possibly a waste of resources...

The same could be said for the first coal mine. But coal-powered industry brought exponential increases in productivity, and thence longevity, creativity, and quality of life. And thence prepared the way for even more and faster civilizational advances.

Nobody would ever suggest that using some of our relatively meager (at the time) energy budget to mine and process coal was a waste of resources. Quite the opposite, in fact.
 
No, I am suggesting that if we have the resources/energy/technology to visit a black hole and harvest energy, acquiring energy in that manner would not be necessary and possibly a waste of resources...
@RecoveringYuppy
Because it's there, huh?

Including extension cords. For "click bait" some folks seem to be taking this amusing suggestion incredibly seriously and/or have no sense of humo(u)r.

:bunpan
 
@ theprestige

Are you saying the energy required to harvest energy from a black hole would be meager, and an adequate analogy to our capabilities when we started depending on coal?
 
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I was suggesting if we had the technology to visit a black hole and harvest energy, we should have the technology we need to meet our energy needs without making the trip to a black hole.

I would be interested in a scenario where this would not be true..



Energy needs are always met. No civilisation needs more energy than it already has to power what it is already doing.

Want is a different matter. Once the energy is available, then the need for it arises. It's impossible to do it the other way around.
 
You object earlier when I assumed you meant we could this amount of energy somewhere else, but how else is this supposed to be interpreted?

If we could do it, the energy would obviously come from somewhere else.. I never presumed where it would come from...

You missed the dig on prestige regarding uranium...
 
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