Aliens, Arecibo, and crop circles

[RichardR]

Re: EXPERT

We have been through this and the thread died. Now there is some info--new to me--which I would like to offer here:

www.geocities.com/cprandrews/Crop_Circles_Research.html
www.cropcircleinfo.com/
cprandrews@worldnet.att.net

The first two links were for the same site. Perhaps I missed it in my quick peruse, but I didn't see much discussion of how he thought the circles were formed.

The third link was an email address.

 

[RichardR]

Re: and this...

How about this one:

www.memorologyllc.com/CropCircleInfo/Blackbird.htm

Let's just say that crop circles have NOT ALL been debunked as many are erroneously saying here (JREF in general)! Being skeptical is fine, to say that the answer to the phenomenon has been obvious for some time is plain wrong. People reading such misinformation are as gullible and mislead as those who believe that ALL circles are mysteries.

OK, well I look forward to examining the evidence for this when there is more available. Please post it here when you have it: I'd like to see it. For now, it seemed inconclusive to me.

 

[crocodile deathroll]

Maze Maize

I just heard a promo on the National Geographic Channel if you live in Australia is will appear 20.00 EST

 

[crocodile deathroll]

Re: Maze Maize

Well I have just watched the article of crop circles on National Geographic and it confirmed what I suspected. Just the simple act of trampling down with shoes can produce that crop circle effect . It is not even a particularly brilliant magician's trick.

It this then the work of Aliens?? They said "last year there was a cowboy, in the past we have had a dragon, pirate ship and a castle." (Perhaps the mother ship will be next)

 

[!Xx+-Rational-+xX!]

 

[Ratman_tf]

Re: and this...

Let's just say that crop circles have NOT ALL been debunked as many are erroneously saying here (JREF in general)! Being skeptical is fine, to say that the answer to the phenomenon has been obvious for some time is plain wrong. People reading such misinformation are as gullible and mislead as those who believe that ALL circles are mysteries.

I'd be willing to bet that all crop circles are man made. There's no way to be absolutley sure, but until some real evidence comes along, they're all well within the power of humans to make, and nothing about them is mysterious or unexplainable.

 

[Jeff Corey]

Re: and this...

People reading such misinformation are as gullible and mislead as those who believe that ALL circles are mysteries.

Well, I'm surely "mislead" then.

 

[RonSceptic]

Re: and this...

Let's just say that crop circles have NOT ALL been debunked as many are erroneously saying here (JREF in general)! Being skeptical is fine, to say that the answer to the phenomenon has been obvious for some time is plain wrong. People reading such misinformation are as gullible and mislead as those who believe that ALL circles are mysteries.

We don't have to debunk every single one. Given that many of these things, including the very first, are acknowledged hoaxes, the burden of proof is on those that beleive they are of extra terrestial origin to come up with some evidence.

The entire concept is ludicrous. Aliens travel untold light years, find a planet with (some) intelligent life and choose to do nothin but make a few patterns in crops? And they can achieve all of this entirely unobserved? And they make no other attempt at contact??

You might as well blame the aliens for subway graffitti. We can't prove that is 'ALL' made by humans either. I mean really, what's the difference?

 

[Jeff Corey]

The original link Paul A. posted has the flavor of a high school essay patched together with other internet sources. A typical error: "it's" for "its".

 

[Ratman_tf]

Re: Re: and this...

You might as well blame the aliens for subway graffitti. We can't prove that is 'ALL' made by humans either. I mean really, what's the difference?

Excellent analogy. Thank you.

 

[patnray]

Paul: Thanks for the post with the pictures. When I first heard about this I laughed, then I thought "What a cruel hoax to play on the woo woos." I knew there would be some who would take it seriously, without a clue to the absurdity and completely unaware that someone is making fun of them. But I'm still laughing.

We need to post some signs: Please do not feed the woo woos...

 

[Rolfe]

Never mind the woo-woos, I think the funniest part of it all is the gaggle of so-called "serious" researchers who were so DESPERATE to prove it wasn't little green men that they spent years trying to prove it was all due to vertical whirlwinds or natural magnetic fields or something.

The nature of the patterns made it obvious that this sort of explanation was several orders of magnitude less likely than the little green men. But when a local Sussex TV station got a couple of teams of army cadets to demonstrate how they were made (with aerial views of the making), I laughed like a drain.

A few days ago I had to wait in a car repair shop while they sorted out my bill, and the top magazine on the pile was "UFO Magazine" (crikey, didn't know they had a magazine!). Super pictures of a magnificant swirly pattern of over 400 circles which appeared in August 2001 just after the foot and mouth restrictions were lifted. I suppose the perps spent the entire foot-and-mouth hiatus planning the thing. It was absolutely awesome, and I take my hat off to whoever did it.

And the rest of the mag was mostly pics of fallen stock which had been got at by crows, claiming it was aliens dissecting the bodies. Sheesh!

Rolfe.

 

[Johnny Pneumatic]

What humans currently can't demostrate the ability to do are the following:
#1: Modify the chemical/molecular structure of the crops



Give me a flamethrower and I'll chemically change the crops!

 

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Wow, talk about resurrecting an ancient thread!

Before you haul out the flamethrower, Dogma, get someone to explain how they tested the crops for alteration.

~~ Paul

 

[Archer17]

Re: Re: and this...

We don't have to debunk every single one. Given that many of these things, including the very first, are acknowledged hoaxes, the burden of proof is on those that beleive they are of extra terrestial origin to come up with some evidence.

The entire concept is ludicrous. Aliens travel untold light years, find a planet with (some) intelligent life and choose to do nothin but make a few patterns in crops? And they can achieve all of this entirely unobserved? And they make no other attempt at contact??

You might as well blame the aliens for subway graffitti. We can't prove that is 'ALL' made by humans either. I mean really, what's the difference?

This sums up why the entire crop circle phenomenon is not credible. I made similar points on another board during a lengthy debate on this subject regarding alien causation. I also find the arguments that peddle some sort of unknown "plasma-vortex," "balls of light," etc as an alternate source of these things to be equally lame. One would not only have to provide proof of some as yet undiscovered atmospheric manifestation but also explain the intelligent designs produced. BTW, the graffiti analogy was excellent RonSceptic .. wish I would have thought of that.

Aside, to RichardR .. where have I seen you before? deja vue, eh?

 

[Ossai]

I need some help about another crop circle or circles.

I work with someone that claims there were crop circles near Houston TX (or somewhere in Texas). He also said that they were made in a sugar cane field and that sugar cane can't be bent without breaking. Anyone have any info on this or speculation on how it could have been done?

I've looked online and haven't found any reference to crop circles in sugar cane fields, only wheat and maize.

Ossai

 

[CFLarsen]

Mogens Winther (yes, of Swift-fame, and Scourge of Danish Astrologers) and his students pulled a marvellous trick a couple of years ago:

"Crop Circles ... or just Crap Circles ?"

 

[Ossai]

Thanks, but

I've already looked at that site and quiet a few others. The real sticking point is he claims the crop circles were in sugar cane fields and that sugar cane does not bend but breaks.

All the crop circle site, both believer and skeptic, that I've found don't mention sugar cane fields. Or they are mentioned but not pictured.

I'm trying to find anything online concerning the specific ones he mentioned (only info is around Houston Texas or in Texas - sugar cane field)

Can young sugar cane be bent without breaking?

 

[Iamme]

Are they going to change the name of Sugarland,Texas to something else? Do you know there really IS such a place, southwest of Houston? They stopped production of sugar there, not too long ago. I used to live 'down the road' from there, about 20 years ago. Now I live like 1200 miles away (or whatever).

I wish that some credible investigator like Erich Von Danniken would look into this crop circle business.

 

[Ossai]

Iamme

Are they going to change the name of Sugarland,Texas to something else? Do you know there really IS such a place, southwest of Houston?

No. I've ask for pictures or some other evidence that there were crop circles in sugar cane fields. I haven't received any yet, but that doesn't keep the co-worker from continuing to make the claim.

Ossai