Alec Baldwin Conspiracy Theories

The Man said:
ABC, Always Be Careful.


I mean, come on, pedophiles, Clintons? What is it, rerun season for CTs too? Didn't they just block a canal with a container ship? While Thermal's thought had flashed trough my mind, for just a second, when I first heard about the accident and the people walking out before. At least that changes things up a bit and goes back to the historical tropes of deaminizing unions and dissatisfied workers.
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I am so stealing that.
 
Thermal said:
Quite a stunning amount of things had to go wrong for a bullet to end up in a "cold" prop gun, though. Occam's Razor might actually lean towards a lone ******* (not a conspiracy of organized labor) who was pissed about losing his pay.
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Never underestimate the power of Human Incompetence.
 
Thermal said:
Quite a stunning amount of things had to go wrong for a bullet to end up in a "cold" prop gun, though. Occam's Razor might actually lean towards a lone ******* (not a conspiracy of organized labor) who was pissed about losing his pay.
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Actually - it was his former wife Kim Basinger who underwent gender reassignment so he could play a bearded tobacco chewing cattle rustler in the movie. When nobody was looking he loaded the prop gun with a real bullet.
 
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I don't believe there was any conspiracy. But, based on the conditions on the set, it looks like there could have been...had someone been so inclined. I mean, you have the armorer claiming that there were no live rounds to be on set. So, how did we get here, then?

Gutierrez Reed, meanwhile, said she checked the "dummies" and ensured they were not "hot rounds" prior to the cast and crew breaking for lunch. During lunch, the firearms she initially brought to set were taken back and secured in a safe on a "prop truck" nearby. However, at that time she claims ammo was left out on a cart on the set and not secure. Ammo was also inside the prop truck at the time.
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Perhaps most importantly, she stated to detectives that no live ammo is ever kept on set, calling into question how a live round not only made its way to the set, but was discharged killing one and wounding another.
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The crew used the gun to shoot cans in the desert. I should say, some of the crew.

This underlines the lack of professionalism on that set. Live rounds are banned on all movie sets for exactly this reason. Yes, the armorer was was new (only her second job). Yes, Alec Baldwin should have double checked the gun when it was handed to him, which is also STANDARD safety protocol on EVERY movie set.

The Armorer and the production team are responsible for ALL ASPECTS OF SAFETY ON A SET. Hollywood has a long list of safety standards to avoid this kind of thing. So many things can go wrong even with blanks, they can misfire and explode in the chamber, and that's a bad day. Blanks have enough force to injure and even kill at extreme short range. John Erik-Hexum died when he pressed his blank-loaded gun to his head and pulled the trigger. The US Military, and armies around the world inset blank-adaptors into the barrels of their rifles to keep everyone safe.

This accident happened because the gun in question was not secured in between set-ups. It should have been kept in a safe until needed. It wasn't and it had been used for live target practice. It is really as simple and depressing as that.
 
Axxman300 said:
The crew used the gun to shoot cans in the desert. I should say, some of the crew.

This underlines the lack of professionalism on that set. Live rounds are banned on all movie sets for exactly this reason. Yes, the armorer was was new (only her second job). Yes, Alec Baldwin should have double checked the gun when it was handed to him, which is also STANDARD safety protocol on EVERY movie set.

The Armorer and the production team are responsible for ALL ASPECTS OF SAFETY ON A SET. Hollywood has a long list of safety standards to avoid this kind of thing. So many things can go wrong even with blanks, they can misfire and explode in the chamber, and that's a bad day. Blanks have enough force to injure and even kill at extreme short range. John Erik-Hexum died when he pressed his blank-loaded gun to his head and pulled the trigger. The US Military, and armies around the world inset blank-adaptors into the barrels of their rifles to keep everyone safe.

This accident happened because the gun in question was not secured in between set-ups. It should have been kept in a safe until needed. It wasn't and it had been used for live target practice. It is really as simple and depressing as that.
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It all boils down to the producers being horrible when it comes to hiring people.
 
ANy event makes the news bigtime, you will get a conspiracy theory about is.
GUaranteed
 
Axxman300 said:
The crew used the gun to shoot cans in the desert. I should say, some of the crew.

This underlines the lack of professionalism on that set. Live rounds are banned on all movie sets for exactly this reason. Yes, the armorer was was new (only her second job). Yes, Alec Baldwin should have double checked the gun when it was handed to him, which is also STANDARD safety protocol on EVERY movie set.
The Armorer and the production team are responsible for ALL ASPECTS OF SAFETY ON A SET. Hollywood has a long list of safety standards to avoid this kind of thing. So many things can go wrong even with blanks, they can misfire and explode in the chamber, and that's a bad day. Blanks have enough force to injure and even kill at extreme short range. John Erik-Hexum died when he pressed his blank-loaded gun to his head and pulled the trigger. The US Military, and armies around the world inset blank-adaptors into the barrels of their rifles to keep everyone safe.

This accident happened because the gun in question was not secured in between set-ups. It should have been kept in a safe until needed. It wasn't and it had been used for live target practice. It is really as simple and depressing as that.
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Are you saying the actor that gets handed a gun to act with, has a responsibility to check it?
 
p0lka said:
Are you saying the actor that gets handed a gun to act with, has a responsibility to check it?
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What should happen when an armorer hands you a weapon is that they open the cylinder or lock the slide to the rear and present it to you butt first so you can observe the weapon is indeed unloaded.
 
p0lka said:
Are you saying the actor that gets handed a gun to act with, has a responsibility to check it?
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Yes. In the past week all the action movie actors I follow on social media all talk about how they check the live guns they're handed in front of the crew and the armorer before they use it.

Here's an example of a heads-up actor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCzDQvX0hAY

More to the point, anytime you have a firearm in your hand you are the end user, and you are 100% responsible for everything that happens with that firearm while it is in your possession. Prop gun or not. I doubt Baldwin will go to prison but he will be writing a large check to the family. I guess he's a standup guy in that department. I like Baldwin as an actor but he just killed a woman because he was careless. I would expect the same ire and consternation if I was in his shoes.

Yes, the Assistant Director is at fault too, and he is the weak link in this chain.

This is Scott Reeder, Prop Master, and his take on the shooting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP1X5L-AufQ

And this is his primer on prop weapons you see in movies and TV shows:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHNTfj3cOjs


This is a behind the scenes from a Breaking Bad episode. The gun stuff begins at 3:17 - :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A4gb__mz04

The safety protocols are on full display.

I'm not calling Baldwin an evil murderer, I'm pointing out that he was negligent. As someone who likes guns I can say the first rule everyone is told is the deadliest gun is the unloaded gun, and thus you treat every gun (real, rubber, BB, Airsoft, Nerf, and Squirt) as if it is loaded. I had this drilled into my head from the age of 4.
 
p0lka said:
Are you saying the actor that gets handed a gun to act with, has a responsibility to check it?
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That is the first thing you learn in any course in gun safety. You ALWAYS check i to see if it unloaded. Does not matter if you hunting, or on a target range, you ALWAYS do that. So yes, I think a actor who is handed a gun and has been instructed in gun safety...and everybody working on a movie where guns are involved should have gun safety training....should check it. It is not that hard, and does not take that long.
 
Axxman300 said:
Yes. In the past week all the action movie actors I follow on social media all talk about how they check the live guns they're handed in front of the crew and the armorer before they use it.

Here's an example of a heads-up actor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCzDQvX0hAY

More to the point, anytime you have a firearm in your hand you are the end user, and you are 100% responsible for everything that happens with that firearm while it is in your possession. Prop gun or not. I doubt Baldwin will go to prison but he will be writing a large check to the family. I guess he's a standup guy in that department. I like Baldwin as an actor but he just killed a woman because he was careless. I would expect the same ire and consternation if I was in his shoes.

Yes, the Assistant Director is at fault too, and he is the weak link in this chain.

This is Scott Reeder, Prop Master, and his take on the shooting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP1X5L-AufQ

And this is his primer on prop weapons you see in movies and TV shows:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHNTfj3cOjs


This is a behind the scenes from a Breaking Bad episode. The gun stuff begins at 3:17 - :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A4gb__mz04

The safety protocols are on full display.

I'm not calling Baldwin an evil murderer, I'm pointing out that he was negligent. As someone who likes guns I can say the first rule everyone is told is the deadliest gun is the unloaded gun, and thus you treat every gun (real, rubber, BB, Airsoft, Nerf, and Squirt) as if it is loaded. I had this drilled into my head from the age of 4.
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I got it drilled into me by a couple of US Army Tech sergeants in basic training. We had a very through course in gun safety before they let us on to the rifle range, and even more on the range before they let us handle live ammo.
 
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dudalb said:
That is the first thing you learn in any course in gun safety. You ALWAYS check i to see if it unloaded. Does not matter if you hunting, or on a target range, you ALWAYS do that. So yes, I think a actor who is handed a gun and has been instructed in gun safety...and everybody working on a movie where guns are involved should have gun safety training....should check it. It is not that hard, and does not take that long.
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When I was doing archery, the one thing that was constantly drilled into us was (a). Always point the bow at the ground, even when unloaded. (b). Never point the bow, loaded or unloaded at anything you didn't intend on hitting with the arrow.


It's the same for all projectile weapons.
 
Please try to keep this thread to conspiracy theories and their necessary rebuttals; if you want to discuss the incident itself, we have a thread for that
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Dave Rogers said:
Well, if we assume, as Truthers like to, that no safety protocols are ever less than perfectly enforced, then we have to conclude that it wasn't a bullet. The sound of the gunshot could easily be faked with the post-production sound effect gear present on every movie set, so the only question is, what caused the fatal injury? There are two obvious possibilities. The first is that this is the latest MK-ULTRA psyop weapon: a fake gun that presents so convincing a sound and appearance that the victim literally dies from the psychosomatic injuries inflicted; in fact, one might reasonably conclude that the gun itself didn't exist, but was simply a holographic construct that Baldwin was persuaded to believe that he was actually handling. The second, of course, is that UN scientists have at last weaponised the technology salvaged from the Roswell spacecraft to produce a controllable destructive beam weapon, and this was a semi-secret demonstration to intimidate those in the know while hiding its effects in plain sight from the ignorant majority.

It's just simple logic.

Dave
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Oh, come on, logic?!? That would dictate a space based beam weapon. Obviously targeting wasn't perfected, as the director caught some splash damage from the lead projectiles the beam produces in the target body (to cover up the weapon type). That is unless he also had some alluminati beans to spill.


ETA: The beams generally produce aluminum in the bodies of the target, so it must have been deficiently modified to produce lead .

"lead projectile" had been removed from the director's shoulder...
 
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