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Alan Keyes

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I see the GOP guys are busy beating themselves about the head for sticking Keyes in the Illinois congressional race.

Even some of the hardcore party faithful are saying "what a jerk!"

I gather, from early polling, that Mr. Obama is well ahead, and I wonder if Keyes decided to jump into the race just to get a little attention for his extremist views?
 
I see the GOP guys are busy beating themselves about the head for sticking Keyes in the Illinois congressional race.

Even some of the hardcore party faithful are saying "what a jerk!"

The only jerks involved are the Illinois Republican party jerks. First they run what turned out to be a real loser (Keyes' lightweight and screwup predecessor) then they bungle the Keyes campaign. Although Keyes has had some media experience, he is basically an academic type, and not prepping him for the Liberal Media, the skilled propaganda arm of the Democrat Party, is like throwing a lamb to the wolves.

I gather, from early polling, that Mr. Obama is well ahead, and I wonder if Keyes decided to jump into the race just to get a little attention for his extremist views?

What "extremist" views are those? Opposition to partial birth abortion and "gay marriage"? The majority of americans oppose those - are they "extremists" too? "Extremist" is nothing but a political slur term. Obama is well ahead because Keys entered the race late, has far less campaign financing (both those items the responsibility of the f__k-up Illinois party), and doesn't have the the zillions of dollars of free LME publicity, whose minions are just FROTHY with excitement over him because (1) he's a hyperliberal like themselves, (2) he gave a cliche-ridden meaningless speech at the dem convention, but managed to speak standard english, and (3) is a "fresh" new model for blacks to keep them on massa's democrat plantation and supportive of their 70-year old out-of-date government policies and worldview.
 
Bikewer said:
I see the GOP guys are busy beating themselves about the head for sticking Keyes in the Illinois congressional race.

Even some of the hardcore party faithful are saying "what a jerk!"

I gather, from early polling, that Mr. Obama is well ahead, and I wonder if Keyes decided to jump into the race just to get a little attention for his extremist views?
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I find Keyes to be very interesting. I think he is an example of what lies at the core of many "conservatives" - I use quotes because what passes for conservative these days is a pretty far cry from Barry Goldwater in my opinion. I once saw a very interesting debate about religion in public life featuring Keyes and Alan Dershowitz. Now, politically, I agree very little with either of these two, but I was struck by the difference in the behavior of both men as the debate got heated.

I don't have to tell you that Keyes wanted to keep "God" in the schools and the rest of that BS retoric. Dershowitz is an atheist. I Disagree with Dershowitz about many things, but at least he is intellectually honest in his argumentation. Keyes, on the other hand, starts off seeming sane and reasonable until his arguments are materially challenged. When he feels threatened in his position he takes refuge in that fundamental dishonesty that plagues so many of his ilk when their backs are to the wall. The goal, for him, becomes to prevail at all costs, the truth be damned. It is a trait common to many folks on the right.

And as much as I hate to say this, disagreeing as I do with so much that Allan Dershowitz represents (activist government promoting social engineering, promoting notions like "hate crimes" and all the rest of the leftest agenda), I was extremely impressed with Dershowitz's argumentation. The truth is, I felt ashamed for Keyes and the debate lowered him tremendously in my estimation. (I'm sure it keeps him awake at night.)

This debate is available on tape from somewhere. I'm sure you could find it surfing. I think it was at Harvard, but I am not sure. They used to have these debates on PBS regularly. This was one of the better ones. Actually, I don't think Keyes is really that much of an extremist. His views more or less mirror exactly those of our Commander in Chief, not to mention 75% of the country. I can remember when Dubya appointed Ashcroft his great praise for Ashcroft was that he was "a man of faith". I'm sorry, but I don't want this country run on faith. Well, maybe if the faith was Voo Doo or Druid that would be cool.
 
I'm sorry, but I don't want this country run on faith.

When democrats run the country, it IS run on faith - faith in theories of economics and government which if the twentieth century showed anything, it showed the bankruptcy those ideas, and that if anyone still adheres to them, it must be in faithfulness to a religious ideological sect.
 
Patrick said:
I'm sorry, but I don't want this country run on faith.

When democrats run the country, it IS run on faith - faith in theories of economics and government which if the twentieth century showed anything, it showed the bankruptcy those ideas, and that if anyone still adheres to them, it must be in faithfulness to a religious ideological sect.
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So that "Beatiful Mind" guy John Forbes Nash Jr should give back his Nobel prize on ecnomonics. After all, it was based on faith in mathematics and theories and not religious ideological sects.
 
I listened to Keyes for a full hour on Diane Rehm, and if that interview is an indication, I stand by my statements. He is a religious zealot who would impose his own narrowly-defined views on the country as a whole.
 
Hmmmmm reported on Fox that he called the Chaney daughter a "libertine and a sinner".

Naughty, naughty.
 
narrowly-defined views

Worse than, say, ambiguously defined views? Blurrily defined views? What the hell are you talking about? This whole thread is just a bunch of insults at Keyes - not a single rebuttal. Actually not a single unmisrepresented quote. Hope that's all Osama or whatever his name has -- even IDIOTS will vote against him.
 
Patrick said:
narrowly-defined views

Worse than, say, ambiguously defined views? Blurrily defined views? What the hell are you talking about? This whole thread is just a bunch of insults at Keyes - not a single rebuttal. Actually not a single unmisrepresented quote. Hope that's all Osama or whatever his name has -- even IDIOTS will vote against him.
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I apologise if I misrepresented. Can you help out here, what did he say and what context was it in?
 
Patrick said:
I see the GOP guys are busy beating themselves about the head for sticking Keyes in the Illinois congressional race.

Even some of the hardcore party faithful are saying "what a jerk!"

The only jerks involved are the Illinois Republican party jerks. First they run what turned out to be a real loser (Keyes' lightweight and screwup predecessor) then they bungle the Keyes campaign. Although Keyes has had some media experience, he is basically an academic type, and not prepping him for the Liberal Media, the skilled propaganda arm of the Democrat Party, is like throwing a lamb to the wolves.
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And yet the local Liberal Media became heady with excitment when the Republicans asked former Bears coach Mike Ditka to run against Obama. Speculation on Ditka's decision was front-page news.

I mention the Ditka fiasco to disagree with your position on the Liberal Media, not to disagree with your position that the local party heads are jerks.
 
Funny

Patrick said:
narrowly-defined views

Worse than, say, ambiguously defined views? Blurrily defined views? What the hell are you talking about? This whole thread is just a bunch of insults at Keyes - not a single rebuttal. Actually not a single unmisrepresented quote. Hope that's all Osama or whatever his name has -- even IDIOTS will vote against him.
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Funny ain't it Patrick, over on the other thread we are both being called racist for being against affirmative action and here in this thread you are defending Alan Keyes and I am going after him for being a rightist reactionary. Listen, if you are going to be a racist, you'd better work on your consistency.
 
Inexplicably, Keyes has come out in favor of reparations. How's that for an odd position for a conservative to take?

Lurker
 
You know, maybe this stuff will finally put the nails in Alan Keyes' political coffin.

The reparations stuff is funny, he wants to give tax freedom to blacks for some period of time to let them accumulate wealth and pass it on. Sort of jump start them into the wealth cycle.

Is it a good idea or bad idea? I don't know. It's just funny hearing him talk about it since you would assume that years ago he would have opposed it.

On the Cheney's daughter thing, the people who asked him to run must have been wincing in pain. Even if Alan Keyes believes that being gay is a sin, HE SHOULD KEEP IT TO HIMSELF. Hasn't he ever heard of discretion?

I will say one thing Keyes continuing to flail and fumble is getting more news than Obama's surefire win.
 
Corp, I am starting to wonder if Keyes is just kind of thorwing thinsg out there (reparations, gay) as a means to get attention. He is losing the senate election so badly perhasp he is getting desperate and is throwing radical issues out there hoping they will gain some traction for him.

Lurker
 
Lurker said:
Corp, I am starting to wonder if Keyes is just kind of thorwing thinsg out there (reparations, gay) as a means to get attention. He is losing the senate election so badly perhasp he is getting desperate and is throwing radical issues out there hoping they will gain some traction for him.

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You might think that, but with Keyes it's different. You see, he doesn't see his positions as radical at all. Perfectly reasonable.

Sure he doesn't think that people necessarily know what he's talking about, but that's because he thinks he's smarter than everybody else. I like it when he goes on about "natural law" and whatnot. The only people who know what he's talking about are the other loop-de-doos.
 
A rather frightening situation, if true. There is no compromise with such people.

Unfortunately, there are some that see that as a virtue....
 
Ladewig said:
And yet the local Liberal Media became heady with excitment when the Republicans asked former Bears coach Mike Ditka to run against Obama. Speculation on Ditka's decision was front-page news.

I mention the Ditka fiasco to disagree with your position on the Liberal Media, not to disagree with your position that the local party heads are jerks.
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That's because Ditka in the race means high newscast ratings and big sales for newspapers. I was hoping it would happen myself, just for the spectacle. :D
 
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