Split Thread Akron police shoot unarmed man 60 times

[JoeMorgue]

Do we know whether the police fired more than 46 times?

Playing the odds it would be a miracle to assume every one of their shots hit, so... probably a lot more.

ETA: A statement from the Medical examiner in a recent CNN article gives some information but no exact number.

In the meantime, it remains unclear how many rounds were fired, though Mylett said he anticipates “that number will be high” based on the videos, in which dozens of gunshots are heard over seven seconds.

“A lot of rounds were fired,” Mylett said.

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/04/us/jayland-walker-shooting-what-we-know/index.html

 

[plague311]

Playing the odds it would be a miracle to assume every one of their shots hit, so... probably a lot more.

ETA: A statement from the Medical examiner in a recent CNN article gives some information but no exact number.



CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/04/us/jayland-walker-shooting-what-we-know/index.html

I want to say the chief guessed somewhere in the 90s range.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Doing the math. 8 cops. Akron officers carry Glock 9mms, so probably the Glock 17. 17 rounds is standard. 8 x 17 gives you 136, although even in this scenario I doubt most cops emptied their full mags. So yeah I'd buy 90ish.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Describe the specific law you believe the police broke when they turned on their blue lights.

Not entirely sure that ones constitutional rights are a law to be violated in this case. But sure cops can stop anyone on any whim they choose and just go with "unspecified vehicle problems" and it is all good for you.

 

[ponderingturtle]

They killed an unarmed citizen. We don’t have to invent from whole cloth a DWB incident.

What is a legitimate driving while black incident, how do you seperate them from the totally acceptable unspecified reason to stop them, do the cops have to write down that they stopped them for being black to qualify?

 

[ponderingturtle]

They haven’t actually been caught lying about a lot of this. The Chief lied (in my opinion) during the very first press briefing when he said that the cops had been immediately segregated and had no opportunity to mesh their stories. Except for that, what demonstrably intentionally false things have they said?

There remains zero evidence that this was an unconstitutional stop and there is evidence that it was a constitutional stop…….not least of which is that it is actually very hard to unconstitutionally stop a vehicle operating on public highways. And as that is my only point (that there is zero evidence that the stop was unconstitutional), I don’t see much point in continuing on this line of discussion. DWB stops are quite rare, there is no evidence at all that it happened here, and there is evidence that it didn’t. Recognizing this as absolute fact does not amount to an endorsement of anything the cops did in this instance.

So blacks really do deserve to be pulled over at substantially higher rates than whites with nothing found. Because as long as the cops can half ass some reason it is not a DWB stop.

 

[sarge]

Doing the math. 8 cops. Akron officers carry Glock 9mms, so probably the Glock 17. 17 rounds is standard. 8 x 17 gives you 136, although even in this scenario I doubt most cops emptied their full mags. So yeah I'd buy 90ish.

You have to balance the cops that didn’t empty a mag against those that reloaded and continued to fire.

 

[wareyin]

Doing the math. 8 cops. Akron officers carry Glock 9mms, so probably the Glock 17. 17 rounds is standard. 8 x 17 gives you 136, although even in this scenario I doubt most cops emptied their full mags. So yeah I'd buy 90ish.

Reports have at least one officer emptying his mag, then reloading to continue firing. At least high 90s.

 

[ponderingturtle]

There was nothing at all illegal about the traffic stop, and I just gave a post describing why as well. There is even the reason for the traffic stop from the previous encounter with the police from a district over. It was verified to be the same vehicle. I'm assuming through license plate verification due to the car being chased, I guessed that they had footage of the vehicle as it fled.

You can choose not to believe the cops about the reason why they pulled him over, but I can't see a reason why.

Why didn't they lead with that story instead of the Unspecified mechanical issues one?

It is really hard to pin down what the current official story is about why the stop was legal.

 

[plague311]

Reports have at least one officer emptying his mag, then reloading to continue firing. At least high 90s.

No matter how many times I read this it still blows my ******* mind.

 

[plague311]

Why didn't they lead with that story instead of the Unspecified mechanical issues one?

It is really hard to pin down what the current official story is about why the stop was legal.

So don't believe it was legal, no skin off my ass.

You can read, pretty much, any article about the story and they mentioned that police in the neighboring county had attempted to pull that same vehicle over and he fled. They stopped chasing the vehicle when he entered Akron county.

They also reported that he had a mechanical issue with his vehicle. I can probably try to find the article again, but I feel like it would be a waste of my time.

 

[Warp12]

Reports have at least one officer emptying his mag, then reloading to continue firing. At least high 90s.

Then that guy was a stud, considering the whole shooting lasted 6-7 seconds. Emptied off the whole mag of 15+, reloaded, and kept firing in that amount of time! Seems questionable, to me.

I feel like the next report is that in the middle of this, another cop burst in and ran the guy over with the Grave Digger monster truck.

 

[Steve]

Reports have at least one officer emptying his mag, then reloading to continue firing. At least high 90s.

Then that guy was a stud, considering the whole shooting lasted 6-7 seconds. Emptied off the whole mag of 15+, reloaded, and kept firing in that amount of time! Seems questionable, to me.

I feel like the next report is that in the middle of this, another cop burst in and ran the guy over with the Grave Digger monster truck.

Seems that reports on both sides of this incident have somewhat questionable elements. And posters here will continue to select the reports that favor their personal views and reject ones that do not. Hyperbole will continue to be an essential part of the arguments.

 

[wareyin]

Then that guy was a stud, considering the whole shooting lasted 6-7 seconds. Emptied off the whole mag of 15+, reloaded, and kept firing in that amount of time! Seems questionable, to me.

I feel like the next report is that in the middle of this, another cop burst in and ran the guy over with the Grave Digger monster truck.

A quick google says a glock 17 semi auto has a rate of fire of 1100-1200 rounds per minute. I've seen a speed shooter record of 5 hits using a revolver in 0.57 seconds.
7 seconds to fire 17 shots, eject, slam a new mag in, and fire again doesn't seem that crazy given those numbers. He's a cop, Walker was already dead, there's not even a hint of a reason for accuracy here.

 

[smartcooky]

So it really doesn't matter why they started and continued to escalate this series of events?

ANd I see we have another vote for the cops don't need a reason to do a traffic stop under the constitution

Wrong. Literally no-one here has claimed that!

 

[Thermal]

A quick google says a glock 17 semi auto has a rate of fire of 1100-1200 rounds per minute. I've seen a speed shooter record of 5 hits using a revolver in 0.57 seconds.
7 seconds to fire 17 shots, eject, slam a new mag in, and fire again doesn't seem that crazy given those numbers. He's a cop, Walker was already dead, there's not even a hint of a reason for accuracy here.

I get that you are quoting Wiki, but a semi firing 1200 rounds per minute? That's 200 per second. Not possible, man. Its a typo.

 

[arthwollipot]

ETA: A statement from the Medical examiner in a recent CNN article gives some information but no exact number.

Gee, in some places, every round discharged from a police officer's firearm has to be accounted for.

 

[Cain]

I get that you are quoting Wiki, but a semi firing 1200 rounds per minute? That's 200 per second. Not possible, man. Its a typo.

The typo is that he was talking about a Glock 17 but citing stats for a Glock 18, which is a fully automatic handgun. It's safe to say that no police dept. in the United States issues them.

 

[smartcooky]

I get that you are quoting Wiki, but a semi firing 1200 rounds per minute? That's 200 per second. Not possible, man. Its a typo.

Err what... its 20 per second, not 200!

Pretty much any semi-auto (including the Glock) faces two restrictions on its rate of fire, both of them human limitations.

1. The number of times the trigger can be pulled per unit time. This depends on the shooter. The action will cycle faster than the trigger finger can, so it is not a limitation. Five times a second is not unreasonable but unless the shooter is very skilled, a rate of fire like that will compromise accuracy.

2. How long it takes to swap a full magazine for an empty one. With a skilled shooter, magazines can be exchanged in roughly a half to one second

 

[wareyin]

Err what... its 20 per second, not 200!

Pretty much any semi-auto (including the Glock) faces two restrictions on its rate of fire, both of them human limitations.

1. The number of times the trigger can be pulled per unit time. This depends on the shooter. The action will cycle faster than the trigger finger can, so it is not a limitation. Five times a second is not unreasonable but unless the shooter is very skilled, a rate of fire like that will compromise accuracy.

2. How long it takes to swap a full magazine for an empty one. With a skilled shooter, magazines can be exchanged in roughly a half to one second

Cops are notorious for inaccurate fire, so a high rate of fire but low accuracy seems to be par for the course.

So far, firing at least 18 rounds plus one magazine exchange within a 7 second window isn't seeming nearly as crazy as Warp12 was pretending.