Ah, Congress

Travis said:
I suspect this was a move to allow schools to remove a separate vegetable from a school lunch when they serve pizza. Thus allowing them to cut more money from education.
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Except it's not about education, it's about schools having to (yet again) fullfill the role of being parents. Ban school breakfast and lunch, let parents feed their own kids, stop asking the government to do it.
 
Wildcat (post #9) and eeyore (post # 31):
are you two by chance related to the great American speller Dan Quayle?
 
Alt+F4 said:
Except it's not about education, it's about schools having to (yet again) fullfill the role of being parents. Ban school breakfast and lunch, let parents feed their own kids, stop asking the government to do it.
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While you're at it, why not just ban public education? After all, that was once considered strictly the parents' duty.

I'm pretty sure there's solid evidence that school lunch programs correlate with better education outcomes.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
While you're at it, why not just ban public education? After all, that was once considered strictly the parents' duty.
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A parent may not be capable of teaching their child. But come on, who can't make a peanut butter and jelly?

I'm pretty sure there's solid evidence that school lunch programs correlate with better education outcomes.
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I'd argue just the opposite. Look at the slop kids are fed at school. It would be better to let them leave for lunch and go to McDonald's, at least there they could get orange juice, which is NOT offered to over a million children in NYC public schools.
 
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It seems to be very much in the minds of much of the "right" to ban public education, which they have long seen as suspicious.
 
Alt+F4 said:
It would be better to let them leave for lunch and go to McDonald's, at least there they could get orange juice, which is NOT offered to over a million children in NYC public schools.
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I've been in the grocery store here in Chicago when the kids from nearby Lane Tech high school are let out for lunch. They bypass the aisles of fresh fruit, bypass the deli where they could buy baked chicken and such, and head straight to the snack aisle and load up on potato chips and cheese doodles and wash it down with sugary soda pop. And the snack foods weren't a complement to the main dish, it was the main dish.

I've also seen them eat a giant bag of french fries for lunch. It's no wonder kids are so fat these days.
 
Bikewer said:
It seems to be very much in the minds of much of the "right" to ban public education, which they have long seen as suspicious.
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Where are you getting this from?

Do you guys know Alt+F4 is a public school teacher in NYC? I don't think she wants to eliminate her job.
 
WildCat said:
Where are you getting this from?

Do you guys know Alt+F4 is a public school teacher in NYC? I don't think she wants to eliminate her job.
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I didn't even mention that I'm a public school teacher because the idea of the right getting rid of public education is beyond ridiculous. Even the far right knows that even day labor chattel needs at least a passable education.
 
WildCat said:
I've been in the grocery store here in Chicago when the kids from nearby Lane Tech high school are let out for lunch. They bypass the aisles of fresh fruit, bypass the deli where they could buy baked chicken and such, and head straight to the snack aisle and load up on potato chips and cheese doodles and wash it down with sugary soda pop. And the snack foods weren't a complement to the main dish, it was the main dish.

I've also seen them eat a giant bag of french fries for lunch. It's no wonder kids are so fat these days.
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Kids in NYC high schools are not let out for lunch (too time consuming to re-scan them back in). So if we had a cafeteria with healthy food they would have no choice but to eat that, or brown bag their junk (which they won't, because that takes.....effort!)

I don't see why parents just can't get up 10 minutes early and make their kids a friggin sandwhich and throw in a piece of fruit. Close the slop scene in the public schools and save some money.
 
Alt+F4 said:
JoeTheJuggler said:
I'm pretty sure there's solid evidence that school lunch programs correlate with better education outcomes.
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I'd argue just the opposite.
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You'd argue that there is evidence that school lunch programs result in worse education outcomes?

Here's the abstract from a July 2010 paper (my bolding):
Abstract: This paper estimates the effects of participating in the National School Lunch Program in the middle of the 20th century on health outcomes as an adult and on educational attainment. I utilize an instrumental variables strategy that exploits a change in the formula used by the federal government to allocate funding to the states. Identification is achieved by the fact that different birth cohorts were exposed to different degrees to the original formula and the new formula, along with the fact that the change of the formula affected states differentially by per capita income. Participation in the program as a child appears to have few long-run effects on health, but the effects on educational attainment are sizable. These results may suggest that subsidized lunches induced children to attend school but displaced food consumption from other sources. Alternatively, the program may have had short-run health effects that dissipated over time but that facilitated higher educational attainment.
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http://www9.georgetown.edu/faculty/plh24/Hinrichs_NSLP.pdf
 
WildCat said:
Where are you getting this from?

Do you guys know Alt+F4 is a public school teacher in NYC? I don't think she wants to eliminate her job.
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If his argument is that anything parents can do they should do, then yes, it's logical to think that he might be opposed to public education, at least at the elementary level.
 
At any rate, none of this defends Congress' decision to count pizza as a vegetable. If they want to end school lunch programs completely, let them propose just that.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
If his argument is that anything parents can do they should do, then yes, it's logical to think that he might be opposed to public education, at least at the elementary level.
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She, and I don;t see how any of her arguments lead you to conclude she wants to eliminate public education in any grade.

JoeTheJuggler said:
At any rate, none of this defends Congress' decision to count pizza as a vegetable. If they want to end school lunch programs completely, let them propose just that.
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They don't want to end school lunch programs, they want to find a market for the overproduction their idiotic agricultural policies lead to.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
Here's the abstract from a July 2010 paper (my bolding)
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That paper is meaningless. It's a historical evaluation based on the 1980 census and folks born between 1941 and 1956. While "receiving a subsidized lunch may raise incentives to attend school" may have worked in the pre-partially hydrogenated soybean oil era, in no way is that the case today. School breakfast and lunch sucks. The kids can get better food when they are not at school, thus school food (especially when you can't leave school for lunch) is an incentive to not attend school.

Not only is school pizza not a vegatable, it's not even pizza.
 
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Alt+F4 said:
That paper is meaningless. It's a historical evaluation based on the 1980 census and folks born between 1941 and 1956.
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And it showed significantly better education attainment correlating with school lunch programs. You claimed "the opposite". So where is your evidence?

While "receiving a subsidized lunch may raise incentives to attend school" may have worked in the pre-partially hydrogenated soybean oil era, in no way is that the case today.
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Evidence?

Not only is school pizza not a vegatable, it's not even pizza.
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Yeah, I saw the "Really?" segment of SNL last night too.

So again, it seems you agree with me that classifying pizza as a vegetable is preposterous and outrageous.

Again, if Congress really wants to end school lunch programs, let them propose that. If they want to soften the nutritional standards of school lunches, let them propose to do that. (I suspect there is zero possibility of either of those things happening.)
 
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