Agnostic? Is it I don't know? Or I don't care?

[gnome]

Isn't an agnostic theist possible? "I don't KNOW whether God exists, but I've decided to take it on faith."

In fact in a sense I would call that the norm on theism. The whole point of faith is that you don't know.

 

[MinnesotaBrant]

Ah I just told him if god didnt want that tree to be there it wouldn't be there. Not too impressive to an agnostic/atheist. I think he said if I planted that tree it sure as hell would be there. That is kind of impressive for someone with an IQ of less than 100.

 

[Sledge]

I look forward to further updates on this great meeting of minds.

 

[Mister Agenda]

Isn't an agnostic theist possible? "I don't KNOW whether God exists, but I've decided to take it on faith."

In fact in a sense I would call that the norm on theism. The whole point of faith is that you don't know.

I used to be an agnostic theist, so I claim it is possible.

 

[Mister Agenda]

Ah I just told him if god didnt want that tree to be there it wouldn't be there. Not too impressive to an agnostic/atheist. I think he said if I planted that tree it sure as hell would be there. That is kind of impressive for someone with an IQ of less than 100.

Yeah, so far he is coming off as the person in the conversation who is less intellectually challenged.

The challenge on your side isn't IQ, it's an unwillingness to critique your own position enough to realize that 'how did that tree get there?' is a very inadequate rejoinder. If it was the basis for an argument, the argument would be an argument from ignorance.

If you're interested in having these sorts of discussions with people who aren't as smart as you, with a 40-point IQ advantage it should be easy for you to flummox them by only saying things to them on the matter of God that support your position.

 

[Jorghnassen]

That he doesn't know makes him an agnostic, that he doesn't care makes him Tommy Lee Jones.

 

[Belz...]

Agnostic? Is it I don't know? Or I don't care?

If you're an agnostic about gods, then you don't believe in gods, therefore you are an atheist by definition.

I was talking to a young mentally challenged guy tuesday and he blurted out the he was a atheist. I asked him well how did that tree get there. He stated "I don't know and I don't care."

I would wager that the tree grew like the other ones do.

Also, which one is likely to get him more chicks? There are plenty of cute chicks out there identifying themselves as atheists but only the old guys call themselves agnostic on youtube.

That's odd. I was under the impression that "atheist" was a big turn-off.

 

[Belz...]

Christians are all psychotic!

No.

They believe in a living zombie!

Yes.

 

[Belz...]

Ah I just told him if god didnt want that tree to be there it wouldn't be there. Not too impressive to an agnostic/atheist. I think he said if I planted that tree it sure as hell would be there. That is kind of impressive for someone with an IQ of less than 100.

Indeed. So far God has been unable to prevent me from doing every thing I set out to do, even though I'm a wicked, evil atheist.

 

[Mister Agenda]

If you're an agnostic about gods, then you don't believe in gods, therefore you are an atheist by definition.

I went through a period of several years where I didn't think it was possible to know if God exists while believing some sort of God existed.

I would wager that the tree grew like the other ones do.

You must like to win.

That's odd. I was under the impression that "atheist" was a big turn-off.

It's probably a positive if she's an atheist. Someone slick could probably use it to appeal to Christian's desire to 'fix' them. Anyway, I hear that on OK Cupid (a dating site that makes it's statistics available to science), the atheists are slightly more likely to get responses than Christians.

 

[ehcks]

If you don't believe in a god, you're an atheist.
If you do believe in a god, you're a theist.
If in either case you say you can't be sure, you're also an agnostic.
If in either case you say you can be (and are) sure, you're also a gnostic.

If in any of the above you don't care about the outcome, you're apathetic.
If in any of the above you do care, you're.. pathetic?

 

[MinnesotaBrant]

Indeed. So far God has been unable to prevent me from doing every thing I set out to do, even though I'm a wicked, evil atheist.

I hate to disillusion you but how do you know whether you are controlling yourself or under the control of gods every whim. I am betting what you called blessed, would probably be called by me, cursed. If you want to provide details I would be happy to tell you if you got a boot up your ass or a kiss.

There is more to the story. The other mentally challenged guy said I too am an atheist, I only believe my my ancestors who protect me. I don't believe in god. This one is just got me terribly confused but if someone wants to solve the conundrum they are welcome to try.

 

[ehcks]

I hate to disillusion you but how do you know whether you are controlling yourself or under the control of gods every whim.

If this god is controlling my every thought and action, then why would I not believe in it?

It would take a seriously cruel god to punish people with eternal damnation for things that he made them do.

 

[MinnesotaBrant]

If this god is controlling my every thought and action, then why would I not believe in it?

It would take a seriously cruel god to punish people with eternal damnation for things that he made them do.

Maybe he wants you to learn something. I don't believe in the eternal damnation thing despite calling myself some kind of christian.

 

[ehcks]

Maybe he wants you to learn something. I don't believe in the eternal damnation thing despite calling myself some kind of christian.

People learn through the consequences of their own actions, and sometimes the actions of other people.

People do not learn when given the answer.

 

[MinnesotaBrant]

People learn through the consequences of their own actions, and sometimes the actions of other people.

People do not learn when given the answer.

I feel I have learned something despite being under the complete control of god.

 

[ehcks]

I feel I have learned something despite being under the complete control of god.

Is this begging the question?

I don't know what the fallacy is, but you're making two baseless assumptions. One, that you are under control of a god; and two, that there is a god. There's no evidence or even a possible mechanism for either of these.

 

[MinnesotaBrant]

I think you have painted yourself into a corner and it has moveded out of the realm of humour. Hopefully I can come up with something funny to say about agnostics

 

[ehcks]

Usually I can tell when I make a stupid mistake in an argument. I can't see one this time.

Can you point it out?

 

[MinnesotaBrant]

You didn't make it funny.