"Affordable" Care Act - Yeah, Right.

Upchurch said:
source?
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You have GOT to be ******* kidding me. The source is Obama's own god-damn words, which have been cited PLENTY of times now, including in a post you just cited by xjx388. This isn't obscure stuff, Upchurch, it's been waved under your very nose. If you don't know it by now, you have no business even posting on the subject, and probably shouldn't even be trusted with sharp scissors.
 
Peephole said:
Stop whining like a little baby, and accept that the sensible people have won and will be ensuring you and your fellow citizens get better and cheaper health care.
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Except of course that thousands of people are now paying more for health insurance thanks to Obamacare.
 
I'm raising my hand saying what Obama said turned out to be wrong for a small percentage of people.

For those that are negatively impacted, I feel bad. The reality is so many more are positively impacted and for even more there is no impact.

You are free to make this a big *********** deal. But it says more about you and your (lack of) perspective then it does about the president and ACA.
 
Everything will be back to normal when the president is removed from office, and a conservative is voted in. the ACA will be repealed, millions will lose insurance when the insurance companies drop them, or when the subsidies end.

Win win for the conservatives!
 
Ziggurat said:
And how many people couldn't buy insurance because of pre-existing conditions?
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5 million

Ziggurat said:
Yet that was central to justifying the entire ACA to begin with.
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Only if you are unfamiliar with the ACA, maybe. The central justifications for the entire Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act was to prevent people from getting kicked off their insurance due to claims AND to make it affordable to those who couldn't afford it. It's even in the name of the act.

That adds another 28 million people who live in households that earn less that $50k. So, roughly, an additional 32 million people can obtain insurance vs 7ish million who might have pay a little more for insurance.
 
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Upchurch said:
Ziggurat said:
He denied the existence of what you call "edge cases".
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source?
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Ziggurat said:
You have GOT to be ******* kidding me. The source is Obama's own god-damn words, which have been cited PLENTY of times now, including in a post you just cited by xjx388. This isn't obscure stuff, Upchurch, it's been waved under your very nose. If you don't know it by now, you have no business even posting on the subject, and probably shouldn't even be trusted with sharp scissors.
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xjx388 quoted, "If you like your plan and you like your doctor, you can keep it; you won't have to do a thing." Where did he deny the existence of what I call "edge cases"?
 
Upchurch said:
5 million


Only if you are unfamiliar with the ACA, maybe. The central justifications for the entire Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act was to prevent people from getting kicked off their insurance due to claims AND to make it affordable to those who couldn't afford it. It's even in the name of the act.

That adds another 28 million people who live in households that earn less that $50k. So, roughly, an additional 32 million people can obtain insurance vs 7ish million who might have pay a little more for insurance.
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What is the subsidy cost?
 
DGM said:
American tax payers (present and future).
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That's an unanswerable question. Money is fungible and income taxes do not come with line item breakdowns. Additionally, people pay different amount of taxes based on income level. There isn't one cost for each tax payer.
 
DavidJames said:
I'm raising my hand saying what Obama said turned out to be wrong for a small percentage of people.

For those that are negatively impacted, I feel bad. The reality is so many more are positively impacted and for even more there is no impact.

You are free to make this a big *********** deal. But it says more about you and your (lack of) perspective then it does about the president and ACA.
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By the same token, the old system didn't work for only a small percentage of people. For those that were negatively impacted, I feel bad. The reality is that so many more were positively impacted.

So, by the criteria you outlined in your post, why did the Dems make it such a big ************* deal? The President demonstrably lied (more charitably: was monumentally wrong) about how it would impact people and it's true costs. If this had been a Republican President you'd be asking for his head.
 
DavidJames said:
You are free to make this a big *********** deal. But it says more about you and your (lack of) perspective then it does about the president and ACA.
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I'm sure that "perspective" will make those that can't afford health insurance now due to Obamacare feel so much better.

DavidJames said:
and multiple times that many are getting health insurance they couldn't. And multiple times that many are playing less.

Thanks to ACA.
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There are winners and losers. Good for you if you're one of the winners. Sucks to be one of the losers.
 
DavidJames said:
I'm raising my hand saying what Obama said turned out to be wrong for a small percentage of people.

For those that are negatively impacted, I feel bad. The reality is so many more are positively impacted and for even more there is no impact.
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Your second statement may be true but do you have any verifyable numbers.

The one person who I told they would be helped by this really wasn't. Low income ( not quite low enough for medicaid) , had no insurance before because they could not afford it. Now they will have to pay a couple hundred per month for insurance they are required to have.
I don't see it helping middle income people who could barely afford insurance either.
 
Upchurch said:
That's an unanswerable question. Money is fungible and income taxes do not come with line item breakdowns. Additionally, people pay different amount of taxes based on income level. There isn't one cost for each tax payer.
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So, just keep raising the dept ceiling until we figure out who does pay for it? The "rich" don't have enough money. Someone eventually has to pay for this.
 
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xjx388 said:
By the same token, the old system didn't work for only a small percentage of people. For those that were negatively impacted, I feel bad. The reality is that so many more were positively impacted.
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wow, so creative. Other then in your attempt to emulate the best emotional argumentative technique of a 6 year old (were you sticking your tongue out when you wrote that), you completely ignore the actual numbers.
xjx388 said:
So, by the criteria you outlined in your post, why did the Dems make it such a big ************* deal? The President demonstrably lied (more charitably: was monumentally wrong) about how it would impact people and it's true costs. If this had been a Republican President you'd be asking for his head.
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As for your psychic ability to read my mind, don't give up your day job. Don't project your flawed logical thinking on me.
 
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