Ed AfD get 43.8% of votes in German state

[Andy_Ross]

The AfD isn't the one trying to overturn election results, prevent candidates from running, or suppress free speech.

Because last time they let the Nazis in it didn't end well for Germany.

 

[Ziggurat]

Because last time they let the Nazis in it didn't end well for Germany.

So why did they let in a bunch of Jew-hating Islamists?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/18/jews-gay-people-hide-identity-arab-areas-germany/

Is Berlin's chief of police just spouting far right propaganda?

 

[gabeygoat]

So why did they let in a bunch of Jew-hating Islamists?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/18/jews-gay-people-hide-identity-arab-areas-germany/

Is Berlin's chief of police just spouting far right propaganda?

I don't think that Jew-hating Islamists is a political party that can gain any seats in government.

 

[theprestige]

I don't think that Jew-hating Islamists is a political party that can gain any seats in government.

Die Linke and BSW have entered a chat.

 

[Ziggurat]

I don't think that Jew-hating Islamists is a political party that can gain any seats in government.

Are you going to keep not only this large immigrant population but also their children non-citizens forever? Seems like they're going to get to vote eventually.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Are you going to keep not only this large immigrant population but also their children non-citizens forever? Seems like they're going to get to vote eventually.

They've been able to vote for decades. But oddly enough there is no monolithic 'take over the west' block. Immigrants, like other people, are varied and vote for varied political parties.

 

[Flo]

They've been able to vote for decades. But oddly enough there is no monolithic 'take over the west' block. Immigrants, like other people, are varied and vote for varied political parties.

Until now. However, really enlightened people (like our resident advocates for AfD) know that they are only biding their time and that their appearance of peacefully mingling in is just in preparation for the establishment of the caliphate over Europe …

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

Until now. However, really enlightened people (like our resident advocates for AfD) know that they are only biding their time and that their appearance of peacefully mingling in is just in preparation for the establishment of the caliphate over Europe …

Has anyone actually advocated for the AfD? I must have missed it. What some of us advocate is against lying about what their program says.

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

Are you going to keep not only this large immigrant population but also their children non-citizens forever? Seems like they're going to get to vote eventually.

I know a couple of immigrants who are openly against more immigrants, once they themselves got their citizenship. One is even openly a big fan of the AfD.

 

[Ziggurat]

They've been able to vote for decades. But oddly enough there is no monolithic 'take over the west' block. Immigrants, like other people, are varied and vote for varied political parties.

Sure, not all immigrants are Islamists. But the ones that are, well, how do you think they intend to treat the Jews?

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

Sure, not all immigrants are Islamists. But the ones that are, well, how do you think they intend to treat the Jews?

As well as the various fascist parties in the EU will. The difference being the amount of political power behind them.
Islamists 0%, far right fascism +/- 30%. It's shocking how little we have learned from history.

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

No party will touch antisemitism with a pole, because that's illegal and an instant reason to get banned in Germany.

 

[Flo]

Has anyone actually advocated for the AfD? I must have missed it. What some of us advocate is against lying about what their program says.

Sure, pretending their program is (almost) totally benign and that they would never, ever act on the nazi ideas that have inspired it can't be construed as advocacy for them …

I know a couple of immigrants who are openly against more immigrants, once they themselves got their citizenship. One is even openly a big fan of the AfD.

So what ? I also personally know quite a number of those "now that I have my (French or Swiss) passport, I have to show I'm more of a xenophobe patriot than the natural citizens!"
You find the same mentality in religious new converts, who are usually the worst proponents of fire and brimstone.

That doesn't make them representative of their new country, neither does it make them good and interesting people.

 

[Flo]

No party will touch antisemitism with a pole, because that's illegal and an instant reason to get banned in Germany.

Which is why they spend their time finding new scapegoats, in between using covert language to signal those in the know that the ancient scapegoats are still in their sight.

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

Sure, pretending their program is (almost) totally benign and that they would never, ever act on the nazi ideas that have inspired it can't be construed as advocacy for them …

It still doesn't make LYING about their program justified.

Side-note, I think you may be confusing them with the PEGIDA movement, which is a lot less popular nowadays. Sure, there is overlap between the two, but they're still distinct.

So what ? I also personally know quite a number of those "now that I have my (French or Swiss) passport, I have to show I'm more of a xenophobe patriot than the natural citizens!"
You find the same mentality in religious new converts, who are usually the worst proponents of fire and brimstone.

That doesn't make them representative of their new country, neither does it make them good and interesting people.

Never said they were either good or interesting. In fact, I'm disgusted by people trying to slam the door behind themselves, now that they got in.

I'm just saying they sure as heck won't try to import the caliphate or anything.

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

Which is why they spend their time finding new scapegoats, in between using covert language to signal those in the know that the ancient scapegoats are still in their sight.

WHAT covert language? Is it still there when you wake up?

 

[Flo]

WHAT covert language? Is it still there when you wake up?

Yes it is.
We've got the charming Marine LePen and her Renouveau National, trying to pretend her party, and her friends' parties in Europe, have abandoned antisemitism, revisionism, negationism, etc. , while still going on with the characteristic language about "international finance" and other memes that have always been the typical antisemitic innuendo for ages, but aren't actionable in a court of law.

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

Yes it is.
We've got the charming Marine LePen and her Renouveau National, trying to pretend her party, and her friends' parties in Europe, have abandoned antisemitism, revisionism, negationism, etc. , while still going on with the characteristic language about "international finance" and other memes that have always been the typical antisemitic innuendo for ages, but aren't actionable in a court of law.

Citation needed. I see nothing there that even remotely hints at antisemitism. Feel free to send a link in German if you think they're saying something else than in English.

 

[dirtywick]

European far-right’s great turn toward Israel | Opinion

The discourse surrounding the rising far-right in Europe and its growing alignment with Israel has become increasingly widespread

www.dailysabah.com

no doubt there’s been a shift in the far right from anti semitism to a pro israel stance, as they’ve shifted into directing their villainizing towards muslim immigrants, mirroring other far right movements in the west.

 

[SpuriusMaximus]

European far-right’s great turn toward Israel | Opinion

The discourse surrounding the rising far-right in Europe and its growing alignment with Israel has become increasingly widespread

www.dailysabah.com

no doubt there’s been a shift in the far right from anti semitism to a pro israel stance, as they’ve shifted into directing their villainizing towards muslim immigrants, mirroring other far right movements in the west.

Yes, that was my impression too.