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Mary Schiavo. Appointed under the administration of President George H. W. Bush, Ms. Schiavo served as the Inspector General for the U.S. Department of Transportation from 1990 - 1996.

Why does Mary Schiavo's name keep popping up? She's never made any claims about the NIST investigation, and in fact has only voiced criticisms about the issues with airline security and individual elements of the investigation regarding the timeline analysis of the airplane hijackings, the last of which was eventually answered. T.A.M. wrote up an analysis of her entry on the PQ911 site here: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=3305226#post3305226.

I've never seen her call for any new investigation. To her, the whole problem with 9/11 is one of airline security (a legitimate criticism, I might add). Her stance is at most LIHOI, and given that her criticism involves lax security, it's pretty obvious she agrees with the narrative of radical Islamic hijackers committing 9/11. Yet, her name always comes up whenever a fantasist insists on listing people that supposedly agree with their stances. I don't get it.
 
really chris, now you are playing dumb.

1) If I contributed to a report, and it published my findings as part of the report (ecompassing other items, to which my expertise would not help in the findings), and I found the report "bogus", I would be the FIRST person to ASK They take my name off the list of contributors, and to pull whatever work I contributed to that report

2) NO one to this date, on the contributor list to the NISt report has done so.

What does that SAY?
 
really chris, now you are playing dumb.

1) If I contributed to a report, and it published my findings as part of the report (ecompassing other items, to which my expertise would not help in the findings), and I found the report "bogus", I would be the FIRST person to ASK They take my name off the list of contributors, and to pull whatever work I contributed to that report

2) NO one to this date, on the contributor list to the NISt report has done so.

What does that SAY?

Dude. Unless they have sent an email to Chris stating their support of the official story, they shall be considered to be against it.

What part of that don't you understand? ;)
 
You don't need to be inside the column to cut that face with the slag. All you need to do is cut from the preceding cuts reaching in with your lance on the left and right side.
The bottom left corner has slag on the outside and it was NOT cut from the side.
That can only be Thermite Residue.

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really chris, now you are playing dumb.



Now?!?

Playing?!?


ETA: Why, any time now, he'll start responding to posts from 5 days ago or more and pretending that ... oh, wait.
 
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Oh for crying out loud Chris WHY are you posting a picture of a column cut subsequent to the collapses as if it proves ANYTHING?

Seriously. I'm SICK of this. I wash my hands. You have something, truthers? FIND SOMEBODY WHO CAN ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING AND TELL THEM!!!!!!!!!!
 
The bottom left corner has slag on the outside and it was NOT cut from the side.
That can only be Thermite Residue.

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Clean up cut, proves you are just a fact less truther! End of story. The 9/11 truth movement has reached the end, just lies, hearsay, and tall talk of fantasy stupid ideas.

You do not know thermite. Too bad, you have lost this one, try again in 6 or 7 years after you get an education, any education. I worked all day in special ed today, and your performance is well below that of the outstanding students I had the pleasure of working with today, and it was the 4th grade.
 
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I listed her name under the heading:

Eight Senior Republican Appointees Challenge Official Account of 9/11 - "Not Possible", "a Whitewash", "False"


Let's take a look at what exactly Schiavo's dissent from the government investigation is:

In the past, in the aftermath of a terrorist attack on aviation, both the NTSB and victims on the plane and on the ground were able to seek discovery to determine how it was the terrorists were able to get access to the airlines, airports or other aviation facilities. The purpose is obvious: so that those gaps could be closed and that avenue to terror be forever obstructed...

In every other aviation disaster, including those precipitated by terrorism or aviation crimes or piracy, the National Transportation Safety Board examined the tragedy and issued technical, operational and policy recommendations to our government, the airlines, airports, and others. The NTSB does this to enable us to correct the lapses that permitted the tragedy to occur. Indeed, the party most cited as causing or contributing to airline crashes is none other than our own FAA.

No such NTSB investigation occurred nor is forthcoming to examine the 9/11 crashes. Both methods of accountability and correction were lost in the government’s haste to help the carriers’ finances. The failure to deploy the two systems of examination and correction in aviation tragedies, were deliberately thwarted by our government and airline lobbyists and lawyers have doomed our citizens to suffer future repeated terrorist attacks. Our government has sent the official message that it is willing to protect the carriers and others and their corporate leadership from, and at the expense of, dead Americans, devastated families and a destroyed aviation system.
(Source: Statement of Mary Schiavo to the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States)

So, what did Schiavo think was the "Whitewash"? It was the failure to conduct an NTSB investigation to discover and close the security holes allowing terrorists to hijack US airliners. As well as the failure to assign the proper responsibility to the airlines and government for failing to properly address known security issues. And, what's "false" about the story? The part I just mentioned: The fact that the government narrative fails to properly include mention of the airlines and government's culpability in the security lapses. So, what was "Not Possible"? Well, that's not something that Schiavo has ever spoken to. The whole problem, in her eyes, is that for years, hijackings have been all too possible. She doesn't claim that the general narrative of terrorists hijacking planes did not happen; rather, she is angry that the government isn't sufficiently critical about it's performance vis-a-vis airport security. That's all she's spoken about.

At best, Schiavo is LIHOI. She has yet to say anything about needing a new investigation or questioning the consensus about Islamic terrorists hijacking airliners. What she's spoken about is prevention of hijackings. That pretty much demonstrates what she believes happened on September 11th. It's misleading to include her in a list of people, such as those in that OpEdNews article, who claim that events at the Pentagon couldn't have happened, or that demolitions were used at the World Trade Center. That's quite obviously not what she believes or is complaining about.

Let's be clear what she thinks about conspiracies:

... (N)ot all of us believe that everybody's coordinating, in the government is coordinating a big conspiracy. Quite frankly, from my days in the government it is difficult for the government to coordinate anything beyond a conspiracy of one. But from my position, what if then, indeed, you're dealing with colossal incompetence?...

You know, quite possibly lots of these things aren't connected at all and that various government agencies were so colossally incompetent and are covering up the fact that they're unable to do the jobs for which their tapped. And of course many people tapped into government are tapped into government without rudimentary abilities to do anything that they're assigned to do. And from my days in the government we would investigate colossal conspiracies, what we thought, and we would come up with colossal incompetence. And from my position, if the carriers, since I work in aviation, if the carriers and the aviation industry and the government is colossally incompetent I want them held accountable just as much as if they're engaged in some big conspiracy.
(Source: Unansweredquestions.org press conference)

She is strident in her position because she does indeed want to go after the government for its failures. But the failures she identifies do not include any question of the hijackings or the ramming of jets into the Twin Towers. Problem is, too many conspiracy fantasists get confused about what she actually does dispute, so they lump her in with other people making wilder claims. Which is a mistake. Now Chris here is probably very well aware that Schiavo doesn't make claims about the towers, or doesn't dispute the hijackings narrative; he's probably just using her dissent opportunistically to demonstrate that people dispute elements of the government's narrative. So let's not include him in that group of truthers. Besides, it is true: She does not approve of the "Official Story". But you must look closely at what exactly it is she disapproves of. When you see that, you'll see how she is misused by most of the fantasy peddlers trying to build lists of various "authorities" and "experts" disputing the "Official Story". Lurkers, new members, etc.: There's a lesson here in how to properly determine what people truly mean when they question the government, as well as a lesson to chase down original statements and determine the true stance a person has. Too many of these people, like Schiavo here, are conflated with people who claim outright falsehoods, such as demolitions use or missiles at the Pentagon. That is very unfair to Schiavo, and a complete misrepresentation of as well as a distraction from the true core of her dissent.
 
Once again Chris is found to be cherry picking quotes. No surprise there then.
 
Once again Chris is found to be cherry picking quotes. No surprise there then.
Actually, ElMondoHummus cherrypicked Mary Schiavo from a list i posted.
She was not as critical as the others but she said the government "knew a lot", and it's failure to immediately launch a criminal investigation when there is an aviation disaster, is unprecedented.

Eight Senior Republican Appointees Challenge Official Account of 9/11 - "Not Possible", "a Whitewash", "False"
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_alan_mil_071202_seven_senior_republi.htm

[FONT=&quot]Paul Craig Roberts, PhD, Assistant Secretary of the Treasury under President Ronald Reagan

Catherine Austin Fitts, Assistant Secretary of Housing under President George H.W. Bush

Morgan Reynolds, PhD, former Chief Economist of the U.S. Department of Labor under current President George W. Bush

Col. Ronald D. Ray, U.S. Marine Corps (ret), Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald ReaganMary Schiavo, JD, Inspector General of the U.S. Department of Transportation under Presidents George H.W. Bush and William Clinton

Mary Schiavo. Appointed under the administration of President George H. W. Bush, Ms. Schiavo served as the Inspector General for the U.S. Department of Transportation from 1990 - 1996.

Barbara Honegger, served as Special Assistant to the Chief Domestic Policy Adviser to President Ronald Reagan and as a White House Policy Analyst.

Edward Peck, Deputy Director of the White House Task Force on Terrorism under President Ronald Reagan. Former Deputy Coordinator, Covert Intelligence Programs at the U.S. State Department. Former U.S. Ambassador and Chief of Mission in Iraq

Morton Goulder, Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Warning under Presidents Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford and Jimmy Carter.

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Clean up cut
You are assuming that.

You do not know thermite.
I know thermite melts steel.

A cutting torch leaves slag on the back side of a cut

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Not the cutting side

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This column has slag on the outside.
The lower left [arrow] could not have been cut from the back.
This cut is consistent with thermate, not an acetylene torch.

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You are assuming that.

I know thermite melts steel.

A cutting torch leaves slag on the back side of a cut

[qimg]http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9259/acetylenecut2em3.jpg[/qimg]

Not the cutting side

[qimg]http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/2976/acetylenecut1wk0.jpg[/qimg]

This column has slag on the outside.
The lower left [arrow] could not have been cut from the back.
This cut is consistent with thermate, not an acetylene torch.

[qimg]http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3187/cut3ol5.jpg[/qimg]
When do you plan to demonstrate that cut for us?

I told you how it was done and can even demonstrate it. How about you?
 
We have PICTURES of workmen making those exact same cuts during the clean up, Chris. A good investigator would know that and have talked to some workers who were there and asked their opinion about that 'thermite residue' cut your hero uses as evidence.

But then again, sometimes I think you folks shouldn't be allowed to even investigate where you left your car keys.

Ya ain't got the skills, Chris. Sorry.
 
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You are assuming that.

I know thermite melts steel.

A cutting torch leaves slag on the back side of a cut

[qimg]http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/9259/acetylenecut2em3.jpg[/qimg]

Not the cutting side

[qimg]http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/2976/acetylenecut1wk0.jpg[/qimg]

This column has slag on the outside.
The lower left [arrow] could not have been cut from the back.
This cut is consistent with thermate, not an acetylene torch.

[qimg]http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3187/cut3ol5.jpg[/qimg]


I’m not particularly interested in debating the minutiae of slag and such with you. However, I find your method – to use an understatement – curious, and worthy of highlight.

Firstly, you have attempted to employ the principle of induction to infer a universal law (oxyacetylene cutting results in the formation of slag on the far surface of the object being cut but never on its near surface) from a single observation (a photograph of an instance of oxyacetylene cutting resulting in the formation of slag on the far surface of the object being cut but not on its near surface).

This is akin to pointing to a single photograph of a red apple and saying “There. So, all apples are red.”

Secondly, you claim that the cut is consistent with either thermite or thermate (I’m not entirely sure which as you switch between the two mid-post). This claim seems to be based solely on the fact that “thermite melts steel”.

So, as you would have it, when it comes to thermite, the fact that it melts steel is a sufficient condition for it to be considered consistent with the observed cutting effect. However, when it comes to oxyacetylene cutting, the same fact – that it melts steel – is an insufficient condition for it to be considered consistent with the observed cutting effect, and further factors (such as the precise ways in which it melts steel) need to be taken into account. Thus, there is an appreciable disparity when it comes to the standards being applied in each case. In short, you are falling foul of the fallacy of special pleading.
 

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