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Christopher7 said:
Fair question.
I do not have the resources or expertise to conduct such a test.
I doubt that BYU will pay for such a test and Prof. Jones may not have the resources or access to a testing facility to conduct such a test.

You ask for a test to demonstrate that the cut in question could have been made by thermate.

The slag and the absence of a cutting torch 'signature' indicate that the lower cut was not made with a cutting torch.

Since there is no evidence to support your claim that the cut was made with an oxy-acetylene cutting torch, you are equally obligated to conduct a video test demonstrating your theory.
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All you got to do Chris is talk to the iron workers that worked the piles. Why didn't the "truth" movement do this sort of thing before making a claim that they can not support? Should we all just be little sheepies and believe them? The "truth" movement wouldn't lie to me would they?:rolleyes:
 
And Chris; Another nail in your coffin you pointed out. The "signature" marks are pointing down toward the bottom most likely cutting into it too. This would also give you slag on the front. Wouldn't it?

Give it up!
 
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DGM said:
I'm not bending it I'm simply getting the column to move out of vertical, the weight of the column does the bending.
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Wrong

The weight of the column is bending the bottom side toward you until the center of gravity is beyond the bottom side.
 
DGM said:
And Chris; Another nail in your coffin you pointed out. The "signature" marks are pointing down toward the bottom most likely cutting into it too. This would also give you slag on the front. Wouldn't it?
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There is slag on outside at the left corner where part of the side has not been cut.
 
C7 said:
The weight of the column is bending the bottom side toward you until the center of gravity is beyond the bottom side.
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DGM said:
The wedge prevents this. Remember I install the wedge before I cut the top.
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Correct
The wedge is holding up the column.
If you removed the wedge, the column would bend the bottom side toward you.

The column is near vertical.
You must therefore lift the column on the high side until the top of the high side has moved about 4' to where it is beyond the bottom side.
At this point, the weight of the column is bending the bottom away from you.

Give it up!
 
I've worked with plasma cutters and oxy-acetylene torches, Chris.
Have you?

You claim that because the marks on the top do not match your pretty pictures, they can not have been cut by oxy-acetylene torches.

You cannot see the marks on the top in the picture to make that claim. Further, the slag pattern is consistent with torch cutting. It has rivulets just like the sides, which you aknowledge were cut by oxy-acetylene, do (it also raises a question: why cut the column sides with torches and then therm?te the upper and lower cuts? Wouldn't sombody have noticed people chopping up the columns?). The bottom exhibits similar slag, but more of it, implying the cut was made through more material. This makes sense, when you notice the cut is not straight across the wall, but rather angled down. Just like itf the column had been tilted over to where the top rested on the ground.

You have selectively ignored parts of DGM's posts in order to be able to continue this charade.

I'm not going to ask you to demonstrate that therm?te could do this (ignoring the problems of horizonatal cutting).

Instead, as your case rests upon the fact that an oxy-acetylene torch could not have made the cuts on the top and bottom sides, I'm going to ask you to prove this claim.
I'm certain you can find some place where a worker can demonstrate cutting a box-section with a torch. Preferably a long one to test your rejection of DGM's explanation of how to knock such a column over, but if necessary a shorter one will do.

Prove those cuts could not have been made by torches, Christopher7. It's vital to your claim, so I assume you have some experience in this area and will be able to demonstrate it.

I shouldn't have to say this, but I'm going to anyways because I've seen how the truth movement can dance:
In order to prove a torch cannot perform the required cut, you must attempt to prove it can make the cut by some means, and fail consistently in unbiased experiments.

The web is waiting. Take up the challenge, and be a hero.
 
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Christopher7 said:
The column is near vertical.
You must therefore lift the column on the high side until the top of the high side has moved about 4' to where it is beyond the bottom side.
At this point, the weight of the column is bending the bottom away from you.

Give it up!
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are we still talking about the column in the photo? how do you know if it was near vertical before being cut?
 
A W Smith said:
These are some of the "wedges" used to tilt, hold, and then lower the cut columns
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This is a wedge
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DMG's claim that a wedge could do the job is absurd.


This is a crane.
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If they used one of these, it would not be necessary bend the column over.

They could use the crane to hold up the column and pull it away from the cutter making the last cut.

Safety regulations probably prohibit anything less.
 
Chris . you are trying to compare the oxyacetylene cuts of a half inch piece of steel
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With the cuts by a lance on a horizontal steel column with a wall section of three inches? where do you suppose all that melting steel will flow to?

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Christopher, you can post pictures all day long and it will not help your case. Either duplicate the cuts with thermite, or go to NYC and talk to some of the workers involved in the cleanup and ask them if your pictures are their work.

Its time to defecate or get off the pot.
 
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Christopher7 said:
This is a wedge
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Correct, that is an example of a wedge.



Christopher7 said:
DMG's claim that a wedge could do the job is absurd.
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Below is shown the effect a wedge has in tipping over something tall and heavy, In this case, a tree. Source

Granted, a tree is not a clumn, but this does show that your rejection of DMG's explanation is unwarranted and erroneous, and that a wedge can be used to tip over a tall, homogenous, upright item.

Since you appear to have considerable expertise in this area (as evidenced by your claims), I shall once again implore you to prove the cuts are categorically impossible to do with a cutting torch.
After all, you are positing that the cut must have been made through rather unusual means. To make such a statement, you must have some way to prove the cut could not have happened through some mundane, commonly-used technique. Since you continue making this statement, it follows logically that you must have some personal expertise upon which you base these extraordinary claims.
 

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Christopher7 said:
Fair question.
I do not have the resources or expertise to conduct such a test.
I doubt that BYU will pay for such a test and Prof. Jones may not have the resources or access to a testing facility to conduct such a test.

You ask for a test to demonstrate that the cut in question could have been made by thermate.

The slag and the absence of a cutting torch 'signature' indicate that the lower cut was not made with a cutting torch.

Since there is no evidence to support your claim that the cut was made with an oxy-acetylene cutting torch, you are equally obligated to conduct a video test demonstrating your theory.
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Jones was fired for being nuts on 9/11. The column you posted was cut during clean up! Failure is being wrong once; what is persistent repetitive failure called?
 
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[X] said:
Granted, a tree is not a clumn
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And therein lies the rub.

A wedge is not used to tip the balance and make the tree fall, is is used to keep the tree from binding the chainsaw when cutting past the center of gravity.

A wedge cannot lift 27 tons of steel and bend a piece of steel 22" wide and 4" thick.
 
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Christopher7 said:
A wedge cannot lift 27 tons of steel and bend a piece of steel 22" wide and 4" thick.
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The weight of the column above the cut is what bends the steel. The wedge and the angle of the cut merely prevents the column from falling the other way.

But Christopher, you claim this was done with thermite yet the truth movement has been unable to cut a column with thermite ever since Jones proposed this idea. And you also refuse to talk to the ground zero cleanup workers to see if they in fact made the cuts with a torch.

You're basically saying thermite did it, and a torch didn't, yet you have no evidence whatsoever that it's even possible to make such a cut with thermite, nor have you demonstrated it cannot be done with a torch. Your claims, why don't you think you're under an obligation to prove them?
 
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