ae911truth and their research

[Richard the G]

So in the last 6 years, ae911truth have carried out virtually no research to counter the NIST report. Despite ae911truth having raised well over 1m$. Does anyone know how much they have raised since they were formed?

To put things in perspective the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat have just announced that they will donate $20,000 to the best research proposal to develop knowledge on tall buildings. It supposes that you can carry out valuable research for $20,000

So certainly the primary reasons that ae911truth use to refute the NIST report have not changed in 6 years, just look at their web site. It would be easy for ae911truth to do their own independent research and perhaps they can even convince CTBUH to fund some for them.

Unfortunately they want a new investigation, with subpoena powers, but they don't really have a clue what they want investigated.

 

[ergo]

So in the last 6 years, ae911truth have carried out virtually no research to counter the NIST report.

Ae911Truth is its members. Many of its members have done extensive research and published. This research is the foundation of AE911's public awareness campaign.

What more research do you propose they do? Has any of the information on the event changed in the last six years?

 

[beachnut]

Ae911Truth is its members. ...

A bunch of nuts who can't think for themselves. Tell them I said so; as it pertains to 911. You can't figure out 911, they can't. Is that why you support a bunch of nuts?

Many of its members have done extensive research and published. ...

Zero have done any research on 911; if they did, they would not join a cult of nothingness on 911, requesting a new investigation when they have no clue what happened in the first place.

This research is the foundation of AE911's public awareness campaign. ...

Gage did zero research. same as you. Nothing. (oops, you did do this very special original work, research if you insist... http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=6263596 ; wow:=)

What more research do you propose they do? ...

They could research 911 for the first time and learn Gage is a fraud, a liar, and at best he is scamming them for money, at worse he has mental problems? Which is it?

Has any of the information on the event changed in the last six years?

Come September it has been 12 years since 19 terrorists murdered people on 911, and you have failed to figure out anything useful on the subject. UBL is dead, 911 truth is in zombie mode repeating failed claims based on ignorance and delusional fantasies.

Many of its members have done extensive research and published. ...

Who? List them please, source your fantasy.

 

[grandmastershek]

Ae911Truth is its members. Many of its members have done extensive research and published. This research is the foundation of AE911's public awareness campaign.

What more research do you propose they do? Has any of the information on the event changed in the last six years?

And by "research", ergo means posted on the internet, and in fake journals. For some reason they can't get published in a real forum anywhere on the planet. Can't imagine why.

 

[LSSBB]

Ae911Truth is its members. Many of its members have done extensive research and published. This research is the foundation of AE911's public awareness campaign.

What more research do you propose they do? Has any of the information on the event changed in the last six years?

They could make tons of money on super quiet invisible building demolitions... if they could just demonstrate that the method works. They sure won't make much teaching physics, consensus building, doing chemical forensics, or teaching critical thinking.

 

[TheJamesrocket]

Ae911Truth is its members. Many of its members have done extensive research and published. This research is the foundation of AE911's public awareness campaign.

What more research do you propose they do? Has any of the information on the event changed in the last six years?

AE911Truth should be doing experiments on the destructiveness of nano-thermite, since they have been responsible for all the hype surrounding its use as a demolition material. They need to test its effect on steel beams, and determine how noisy it is when ignited. Set up a sound meter or two, and compare its detonation next to a conventional explosive, like tnt or hmx. Considering all the professionals that are on board with AE911Truth, I am surprised they haven't done this already.

It not only looks sloppy, but also shows a confirmation bias (in that they are afraid of getting negative results). They have had years to get their facts straight through these simple precautions, and have chosen to do no experiments at all. Its disappointing. But if you want to get really creative, there is still better things that money could have been put to use on.

We already know (via jonathan coles experiments) that thermate can easily slice steel beams when harnessed through a box cutter. What we don't know is whether devices like this have the characteristics to enable a controlled demolition inside a hostile environment (I.E, extensive projectile damage, actively burning fires).

 

[Richard the G]

So in the last 6 years, ae911truth have carried out virtually no research to counter the NIST report. Despite ae911truth having raised well over 1m$. Does anyone know how much they have raised since they were formed?

To put things in perspective the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat have just announced that they will donate $20,000 to the best research proposal to develop knowledge on tall buildings. It supposes that you can carry out valuable research for $20,000

So certainly the primary reasons that ae911truth use to refute the NIST report have not changed in 6 years, just look at their web site. It would be easy for ae911truth to do their own independent research and perhaps they can even convince CTBUH to fund some for them.

Unfortunately they want a new investigation, with subpoena powers, but they don't really have a clue what they want investigated.

So I suppose what I am asking is what more research and investigation do ae911truth expect to do to complete their investigation.

Everything they have done to date has been widely refuted and even ridiculed. What more do they want to do and how much money do they think it wold take.

 

[ergo]

AE911Truth should be doing experiments on the destructiveness of nano-thermite, since they have been responsible for all the hype surrounding its use as a demolition material. They need to test its effect on steel beams, and determine how noisy it is when ignited. Set up a sound meter or two, and compare its detonation next to a conventional explosive, like tnt or hmx. Considering all the professionals that are on board with AE911Truth, I am surprised they haven't done this already.

It's quite hilarious to hear these words from people who can't even get to a lab to ignite a paint chip.

Yeah, tell us more about what 9/11 research should be done. Is there something you're still confused about, after all these years?

 

[Ape of Good Hope]

It's quite hilarious to hear these words from people who can't even get to a lab to ignite a paint chip.

Yeah, tell us more about what 9/11 research should be done. Is there something you're still confused about, after all these years?

Millette annoys truthers.


Reality confuses truthers.


Truthers entertain me

 

[TheJamesrocket]

It's quite hilarious to hear these words from people who can't even get to a lab to ignite a paint chip.

Yeah, tell us more about what 9/11 research should be done. Is there something you're still confused about, after all these years?

Theres alot of research that should have been done in regards to 911, but I think that architects & engineer were careless to neglect these basic tests on nanothermite, since they are such a key component of their theory.

 

[SezMe]

Yeah, tell us more about what 9/11 research should be done. Is there something you're still confused about, after all these years?

Can you imagine the billions that could be made by commercializing the ability to project imaginary objects such as airplanes into the sky in such a way to fool thousands of people and TV cameras. It would make Gates look like a piker. Get on it, ergo.

 

[cjnewson88]

Is there something you're still confused about, after all these years?

The members here who agree with the official narrative of events have no confusion at all, we know exactly what happened. You, on the other hand, are a basket case of confusion, who struggles to even but basics together.

 

[TheJamesrocket]

The members here who agree with the official narrative of events have no confusion at all, we know exactly what happened. You, on the other hand, are a basket case of confusion, who struggles to even but basics together.

Not to derail the thread, but NOBODY knows what happened on 911. Not you, me, or anyone else on this ridiculous website. These terrorist attacks were arguably the most complex one-day events in human history, when considering the full scope of the before and after picture, and factoring in the who what when and where, which nobody, not even different branchs of the federal government, can fully agree on (and yes, the motives behind this disagreement stem from much more than beaurucratic ass covering, if that is what you are thinking). Anyone who thinks they can find out what happened on 911 by reading the conclusions of a single investigatory body is deluded, plain and simple. That goes for FEMA, NIST, and the commission report. You need to cross check their findings with numerous other sources just to get an idea of how little we actually know for certain. This is a reality you are clearly struggling with.

 

[000063]

Ae911Truth is its members. Many of its members have done extensive research and published. This research is the foundation of AE911's public awareness campaign.

What more research do you propose they do? Has any of the information on the event changed in the last six years?

Assuming nothing has, then why do they need so much money?

Also, you're defending an organization whose boss thinks cardboard boxes are representative of skyscrapers. That wasn't just a one-off; he regularly does that sort of thing at his shows, IIRC.

It's quite hilarious to hear these words from people who can't even get to a lab to ignite a paint chip.

Yeah, tell us more about what 9/11 research should be done. Is there something you're still confused about, after all these years?

That's right, divert. Try to reverse the burden of proof. Backpedal, little spider.

No truther has ever been able to come up with a comprehensive theory that makes logical sense. Not one. In twelve years. Even AE911T, with all its money.

Not to derail the thread, but NOBODY knows what happened on 911. Not you, me, or anyone else on this ridiculous website. These terrorist attacks were arguably the most complex one-day events in human history, when considering the full scope of the before and after picture, and factoring in the who what when and where, which nobody, not even different branchs of the federal government, can fully agree on (and yes, the motives behind this disagreement stem from much more than beaurucratic ass covering, if that is what you are thinking). Anyone who thinks they can find out what happened on 911 by reading the conclusions of a single investigatory body is deluded, plain and simple. That goes for FEMA, NIST, and the commission report. You need to cross check their findings with numerous other sources just to get an idea of how little we actually know for certain. This is a reality you are clearly struggling with.

We know "exactly what happened" to a degree that is, sigh, close enough for government work. And it is still streets ahead of anything truthers have managed to dream up.

 

[LSSBB]

Not to derail the thread, but NOBODY knows what happened on 911. Not you, me, or anyone else on this ridiculous website. These terrorist attacks were arguably the most complex one-day events in human history, when considering the full scope of the before and after picture, and factoring in the who what when and where, which nobody, not even different branchs of the federal government, can fully agree on (and yes, the motives behind this disagreement stem from much more than beaurucratic ass covering, if that is what you are thinking). Anyone who thinks they can find out what happened on 911 by reading the conclusions of a single investigatory body is deluded, plain and simple. That goes for FEMA, NIST, and the commission report. You need to cross check their findings with numerous other sources just to get an idea of how little we actually know for certain. This is a reality you are clearly struggling with.

We can pretty darn certain 9/11 was the result of 19 terrorists flying planes into three buildings and a patch of ground, because that is the only story that matches the evidence available. No competing theory has come anywhere close, after 12 years. AE911 has not done anything to significantly move that needle.

 

[Mark F]

Not to derail the thread, but NOBODY knows what happened on 911. Not you, me, or anyone else on this ridiculous website.

Ummm, yeah we do. The evidence is overwhelming. 9/11 is a criminal case like any other and in any investigation the evidence leads to what happened.

These terrorist attacks were arguably the most complex one-day events in human history, when considering the full scope of the before and after picture, and factoring in the who what when and where, which nobody, not even different branchs of the federal government, can fully agree on (and yes, the motives behind this disagreement stem from much more than beaurucratic ass covering, if that is what you are thinking).

Rubbish. The 9/11 attacks were successful precisely becaues they were so simple. It doesn't take a rocket scientist (or a brain surgeon) to figure out how a terrorist cell with a long history of attacking America and American interests recruited 19 thugs and gave them the minimum training and instruction necessary to hijack planes and crash them into symbols of American economic, military and political power.

Anyone who thinks they can find out what happened on 911 by reading the conclusions of a single investigatory body is deluded, plain and simple. That goes for FEMA, NIST, and the commission report. You need to cross check their findings with numerous other sources just to get an idea of how little we actually know for certain. This is a reality you are clearly struggling with.

True that you can't find the all answers from one source - nor is there any reasonable expectation that you should. Nobody that I know is even claiming that is possible. But that doesn't mean there is all that much that we don't really know. Different sources may haggle over the details but the fundamentals are all well understood and nothing in the last decade plus has been discovered that changes that.

 

[twinstead]

The only thing that would make 911 "arguably the most complex one-day events in human history" is if it actually were an inside job. Otherwise, it was no such thing.

 

[Sabretooth]

You know...even though I joined JREF because of this sub-forum, I've basically stopped posting here...mainly because of AE911T.

Meaning that, if AE911T is the best the truthers have, then the work of debunkers is done.

12 years, a million dollars, and AE911T hasn't produced anything besides a pamphlet of fallacies and a pile of cardboard boxes.

WTG, Gage! Keep up the great work!

 

[Scott Sommers]

You know...even though I joined JREF because of this sub-forum, I've basically stopped posting here...mainly because of AE911T.

Meaning that, if AE911T is the best the truthers have, then the work of debunkers is done.

12 years, a million dollars, and AE911T hasn't produced anything besides a pamphlet of fallacies and a pile of cardboard boxes.

WTG, Gage! Keep up the great work!

This is largely true. But AE9/11T is a fascinating organization. It's a group that claims to be a politically motivated group of experts who share a common concern. It's run by a church organizer who readily admits there is no professional interest in his groups ideas. And in fact, the professional face of the experts he claims to be organizing has disowned him.

Gage himself seems to be the only person in his group who can sign up any new members. As it's been pointed out, our JREF friend Tony Szamboti claims to have convinced vast numbers of experts that Richard Gage is a true soul, but none of them seem to be members of his AE9/11T group.

It appears that none of the people on Gage's AE9/11T list are involved in sort of promotion of their 9/11 ideas, other than allowing Dick to place their names on his list. It appears now that almost all the organizing of AE9/11T is now being done by non-expert members.

James, everything I have said here is verifiable on this forum.

Anyway...despite this, Gage is still able to raise an impressive amount of money. Even if we assume he's involved in creative accounting, that he could still raise even a few thousand of dollars is impressive. But really, I suspect that's because there are people who still believe Gage. Tony Szamboti says he does, and Tony's a smart guy. I quite like him. But he's nuts if he believes this 9/11 Truth stuff.

 

[NoahFence]

Not to derail the thread, but NOBODY knows what happened on 911. Not you, me, or anyone else on this ridiculous website. These terrorist attacks were arguably the most complex one-day events in human history, when considering the full scope of the before and after picture, and factoring in the who what when and where, which nobody, not even different branchs of the federal government, can fully agree on (and yes, the motives behind this disagreement stem from much more than beaurucratic ass covering, if that is what you are thinking). Anyone who thinks they can find out what happened on 911 by reading the conclusions of a single investigatory body is deluded, plain and simple. That goes for FEMA, NIST, and the commission report. You need to cross check their findings with numerous other sources just to get an idea of how little we actually know for certain. This is a reality you are clearly struggling with.

Complex??
Yea, about as complex as a game of pong. The word you're looking for is audacious.

It was absurdly easy to pull of what they did. That's why they did it! Boxcutters are legal to bring on planes. Doors to the cabin aren't locked.

They saw our weaknesses and exploited them. They knew prior to 9/11 a grand total of zero hijackings resulted in planes being flown into buildings. Hijackings followed a simple pattern:

Grab plane
Land plane
Demand stuff.

9/11 was simple. It just took balls.