ae911truth and their research

[tsig]

>snip<
If office furnishing's fires orchestrated that complex, total demolition of WTC7, than they were directed by human intelligence.

MM

How does that work?

 

[TheJamesrocket]

James, please see post 54. Most truther theories aren't just more complicated than the OS, they're often physically impossible.

So apparently, 'simplest hypothesis' now means 'the one which can be dumbed down closest to the lowest common denominator.' Which tells me you have exactly zero understanding of occams razor.

Also, the only 911 conspiracy theorys that are 'physically impossible' are the ones being pushed by mainstream society, by invoking 'coincidences' and 'miraculous events' dozens upon dozens of times. The only real theoretical limitations of MIHOP are issues with how such a large event could be staged without any major leaks. I personally find this easier to swallow than the host of outright statistical impossibilitys associated with the OCT.

 

[TheJamesrocket]

19 terrorists take advantage of airline protocol to allow hijackers to take over a plane...who then use that loophole to fool the crew and passengers into believing they are returning to the airport to have "demands" met...then intentionally fly into the WTC and Pentagon.

Yes, it's that simple.

So simple, a caveman could do it, apparently

Let me paraphrase paul craig roberts. I quote: ''In order to understand the improbability of the government’s explanation of 9/11, it is not necessary to know anything about what force or forces brought down the three World Trade Center buildings, what hit the Pentagon or caused the explosion, the flying skills or lack thereof of the alleged hijackers, whether the airliner crashed in Pennsylvania or was shot down, whether cell phone calls made at the altitudes could be received, or any other debated aspect of the controversy.

You only have to know two things.

One is that according to the official story, a handful of Arabs, mainly Saudi Arabians, operating independently of any government and competent intelligence service, men without James Bond and V for Vendetta capabilities, outwitted not only the CIA, FBI, and National Security Agency, but all 16 US intelligence agencies, along with all security agencies of America’s NATO allies and Israel’s Mossad. Not only did the entire intelligence forces of the Western world fail, but on the morning of the attack the entire apparatus of the National Security State simultaneously failed. Airport security failed four times in one hour. NORAD failed. Air Traffic Control failed. The US Air Force failed. The National Security Council failed. Dick Cheney failed. Absolutely nothing worked. The world’s only superpower was helpless at the humiliating mercy of a few undistinguished Arabs.

It is hard to image a more far-fetched story–except for the second thing you need to know: The humiliating failure of US National Security did not result in immediate demands from the President of the United States, from Congress, from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and from the media for an investigation of how such improbable total failure could have occurred. No one was held accountable for the greatest failure of national security in world history. Instead, the White House dragged its feet for a year resisting any investigation until the persistent demands from 9/11 families for accountability forced President George W. Bush to appoint a political commission, devoid of any experts, to hold a pretend investigation.''

Earlier in this thread, you said:

I'd like to know what world you live in where your ridiculous web of pure crap is somehow more realistic than that of the "OCT". For any CT to work, you'd need far more than coincidence...you'd have to suspend reality.
Nano-thermite cutters installed without a single witness? Demolitions without noise? The thousands and thousands of participants that would be required to either set up the operation or turn a blind eye? All to set up a false flag to gain public support to start a war claiming retaliation which is really a war to take over Middle East oil?

You can have your proprietary reasoning. Believe me...no one wants it.

I'm not interested in being drawn into the CD argument. Its been done to death, and I'm not going to even dignify your exhausted and pathetic arguments with the thorough stoming they rightly deserve. A false flag attack incorporating all the elements I personally ascribe to this event would only require somewhere in the neighborhood of 200 people, only a couple dozen of whom would have undisclosed knowledge of all the attack phases. Why is a conspiracy of 200 people (with the resources of an entire nation state at their disposal) so much more ridiculous than one involving 50 rag-tag muslims?

 

[NoahFence]

so...

??

 

[beachnut]

So apparently, 'simplest hypothesis' now means 'the one which can be dumbed down closest to the lowest common denominator.' Which tells me you have exactly zero understanding of occams razor.

Also, the only 911 conspiracy theorys that are 'physically impossible' are the ones being pushed by mainstream society, by invoking 'coincidences' and 'miraculous events' dozens upon dozens of times. The only real theoretical limitations of MIHOP are issues with how such a large event could be staged without any major leaks. I personally find this easier to swallow than the host of outright statistical impossibilitys associated with the OCT.

Got that wrong. Your claims are the fantasy "physically impossible", complete nonsense claims.

http://kesler12-jamesrocket.blogspot.com/2013/07/military-officials-implicated-in-911.html
It could not be more silly if Alex Jones made it up.

ae 911 truth is based on zero research, and a cult following who refuse to think for themselves. You are projecting your failure on the reality 19 terrorists did 911, and you want to blame the USA. And you have all your claims based on zero evidence, no reality based research.

It is funny you will not be suppling evidence of the statistically impossibility of the OCT, no math, no clue, 12 years of silly claims equal to a big fail.

I have worked with Saudis, and you are calling them cavemen.

So simple, a caveman could do it, apparently

How racist are you? Just a little, or what? So Saudis can't fly? They all earned flight tickets from the FAA, can you fly? Your "cavemen" flew, can you do anything besides spread lies about 911?

 

[jaydeehess]

So apparently, 'simplest hypothesis' now means 'the one which can be dumbed down closest to the lowest common denominator.' Which tells me you have exactly zero understanding of occams razor.

Also, the only 911 conspiracy theorys that are 'physically impossible' are the ones being pushed by mainstream society, by invoking 'coincidences' and 'miraculous events' dozens upon dozens of times. The only real theoretical limitations of MIHOP are issues with how such a large event could be staged without any major leaks. I personally find this easier to swallow than the host of outright statistical impossibilitys associated with the OCT.

You are supposing that the organization, planning and effecting of a massive conspiracy involving the surreptious placements of dozens, if not hundreds of explosives that will leave no trace of themselves, and should we include the supposed faking at the Pentagon and Shankesville as we'll , with their attendant differences to the surreptioys plans in effect in Manhattan, is oh so very simple?

In Occam, simple does not mean simplistic.

I had a creationist once say that God and creation was so much simpler than evolution. Yes, belief in magic makes things simple

 

[jaydeehess]

"Not interested in being drawn into the CD arguement"

You are in the wrong thread here then James.

 

[Ape of Good Hope]

Let me paraphrase paul craig roberts. I quote:

I may possibly have to Stundie this.

 

[TheJamesrocket]

Got that wrong. Your claims are the fantasy "physically impossible", complete nonsense claims.

http://kesler12-jamesrocket.blogspot.com/2013/07/military-officials-implicated-in-911.html
It could not be more silly if Alex Jones made it up.

Please demonstrate where anything I have written about 911 within the confines of my blog are physically or statistically impossible. You will have your work cut out for you, I think. Again, its easier for me to accept nebulous, large scale government conspiracys than dozens of outrageous coincidences and anomolys. My suspension of disbelief doesn't stretch as far as yours does, I guess. Keep betting everything you have on the governments honesty, though, that seems to be working out real well for you. Remember, theres nothing to fear but fear itself!

I have worked with Saudis, and you are calling them cavemen.
How racist are you? Just a little, or what? So Saudis can't fly? They all earned flight tickets from the FAA, can you fly? Your "cavemen" flew, can you do anything besides spread lies about 911?

So very, very lame. The fact that the hijackers had gained their plots licences is constantly used by debunkers as a deus ex machina to wave away the aerodynamic impossibilitys of what supposedly took place on 911, which could not have been overcome by anyone, no matter what their grade of piloting skills were (or were not, in this case). Never mind that hanni hanjour got his license from a hack instructor from israel, eddie shalev, who appears to have dropped off the face of the earth after 911.

With the substance of your passage thus refuted, all that remains is its style, and... Wow, that has got to be the best example of projection I have ever seen! In case you don't know what this is, it is the habit of ascribing ones own negative qualities to other people or things, and a telltale sign of a guilty conscience. And guilty you should rightly feel, for there has always been an undertone of racism and xenophobia in the official story of 911. As a supporter of the governments narrative, this makes you an open advocate of violently racist policys.

Any man with eyes to see could predict where the US was headed after 911, just look at the rhetoric they use to stigmatise the evil turban men! I quote: ''Administration officials also described 'terrorists' as hateful, treacherous, barbarous, mad, twisted, perverted, without faith, parasitical, inhuman, and, most commonly, evil. Americans, in contrast, were described as brave, loving, generous, strong, resourceful, heroic, and respectful of human rights.''

 

[TheJamesrocket]

I may possibly have to Stundie this.

The exact response I would expect from someone who has been knocked on their ass, and has NO rebuttal.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Let me paraphrase paul craig roberts. I quote: ''In order to understand the improbability of the government’s explanation of 9/11, it is not necessary to know anything about what force or forces brought down the three World Trade Center buildings, what hit the Pentagon or caused the explosion, the flying skills or lack thereof of the alleged hijackers, whether the airliner crashed in Pennsylvania or was shot down, whether cell phone calls made at the altitudes could be received, or any other debated aspect of the controversy.

You only have to know two things.

One is that according to the official story, a handful of Arabs, mainly Saudi Arabians, operating independently of any government and competent intelligence service, men without James Bond and V for Vendetta capabilities, outwitted not only the CIA, FBI, and National Security Agency, but all 16 US intelligence agencies, along with all security agencies of America’s NATO allies and Israel’s Mossad. Not only did the entire intelligence forces of the Western world fail, but on the morning of the attack the entire apparatus of the National Security State simultaneously failed. Airport security failed four times in one hour. NORAD failed. Air Traffic Control failed. The US Air Force failed. The National Security Council failed. Dick Cheney failed. Absolutely nothing worked. The world’s only superpower was helpless at the humiliating mercy of a few undistinguished Arabs.

It is hard to image a more far-fetched story–except for the second thing you need to know: The humiliating failure of US National Security did not result in immediate demands from the President of the United States, from Congress, from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and from the media for an investigation of how such improbable total failure could have occurred. No one was held accountable for the greatest failure of national security in world history. Instead, the White House dragged its feet for a year resisting any investigation until the persistent demands from 9/11 families for accountability forced President George W. Bush to appoint a political commission, devoid of any experts, to hold a pretend investigation.''

I can't believe you actually used an argument from incredulity there.

So I suppose that means you didn't.

Dave

 

[djlunacee]

Please demonstrate where anything I have written about 911 within the confines of my blog are physically or statistically impossible. You will have your work cut out for you, I think. Again, its easier for me to accept nebulous, large scale government conspiracys than dozens of outrageous coincidences and anomolys. My suspension of disbelief doesn't stretch as far as yours does, I guess. Keep betting everything you have on the governments honesty, though, that seems to be working out real well for you. Remember, theres nothing to fear but fear itself!



So very, very lame. The fact that the hijackers had gained their plots licences is constantly used by debunkers as a deus ex machina to wave away the aerodynamic impossibilitys of what supposedly took place on 911, which could not have been overcome by anyone, no matter what their grade of piloting skills were (or were not, in this case). Never mind that hanni hanjour got his license from a hack instructor from israel, eddie shalev, who appears to have dropped off the face of the earth after 911.

With the substance of your passage thus refuted, all that remains is its style, and... Wow, that has got to be the best example of projection I have ever seen! In case you don't know what this is, it is the habit of ascribing ones own negative qualities to other people or things, and a telltale sign of a guilty conscience. And guilty you should rightly feel, for there has always been an undertone of racism and xenophobia in the official story of 911. As a supporter of the governments narrative, this makes you an open advocate of violently racist policys.

Any man with eyes to see could predict where the US was headed after 911, just look at the rhetoric they use to stigmatise the evil turban men! I quote: ''Administration officials also described 'terrorists' as hateful, treacherous, barbarous, mad, twisted, perverted, without faith, parasitical, inhuman, and, most commonly, evil. Americans, in contrast, were described as brave, loving, generous, strong, resourceful, heroic, and respectful of human rights.''

Considering Beechnut is a pilot, and a former FAA crash scene investigator....you won't mind if his opinion carries a little more weight to me than yours do you? Didn't think so. I mean considering your little narrative has more holes than two swiss cheese wheels and a screen door, the official narrative is the only thing that makes sense.

 

[djlunacee]

The sad thing is there have many independant investigations into 9/11 from every angle imaginable, I really have no concept as to why AE911truth exists.

 

[Ape of Good Hope]

The exact response I would expect from someone who has been knocked on their ass, and has NO rebuttal.

Why sir, you cut me to the quick!




I'll indulge you just this one time then, because you're funny:

Please demonstrate where anything I have written about 911 within the confines of my blog are physically or statistically impossible.

Attempt to reverse the burden of proof.

You will have your work cut out for you, I think.

Speculation.

Again, its easier for me to accept nebulous, large scale government conspiracys than dozens of outrageous coincidences and anomolys.

Argument from incredulity.

My suspension of disbelief doesn't stretch as far as yours does, I guess.

Speculation.

Keep betting everything you have on the governments honesty, though, that seems to be working out real well for you. Remember, theres nothing to fear but fear itself!

Straw man.

So very, very lame.

Ad Hominem.

The fact that the hijackers had gained their plots licences is constantly used by debunkers as a deus ex machina to wave away the aerodynamic impossibilitys of what supposedly took place on 911, which could not have been overcome by anyone, no matter what their grade of piloting skills were (or were not, in this case).

Argument from incredulity.

Never mind that hanni hanjour got his license from a hack instructor from israel, eddie shalev, who appears to have dropped off the face of the earth after 911.

Lazy reiteration of tired old truther talking points.

With the substance of your passage thus refuted

Unilateral victory dance.

all that remains is its style, and... Wow, that has got to be the best example of projection I have ever seen! In case you don't know what this is, it is the habit of ascribing ones own negative qualities to other people or things, and a telltale sign of a guilty conscience.

Armchair psychology/ad hominem.

And guilty you should rightly feel, for there has always been an undertone of racism and xenophobia in the official story of 911. As a supporter of the governments narrative, this makes you an open advocate of violently racist policys.

Any man with eyes to see could predict where the US was headed after 911, just look at the rhetoric they use to stigmatise the evil turban men! I quote: ''Administration officials also described 'terrorists' as hateful, treacherous, barbarous, mad, twisted, perverted, without faith, parasitical, inhuman, and, most commonly, evil. Americans, in contrast, were described as brave, loving, generous, strong, resourceful, heroic, and respectful of human rights.''

Daft rant.



Great stuff there, boss

 

[Polaris]

Do you read what you write?

I think that; "fire made the building fall", is easily the most complicated scenario.

If office furnishing's fires orchestrated that complex, total demolition of WTC7, than they were directed by human intelligence.

MM

Did you? Because the sentence in bold is the stupidest statement I've read all day. And I just came from the Politics forum.

The sad thing is there have many independant investigations into 9/11 from every angle imaginable, I really have no concept as to why AE911truth exists.

Maybe to fleece suckers out of $1 million USDs.

 

[TheJamesrocket]

I can't believe you actually used an argument from incredulity there.

So I suppose that means you didn't.

Dave

Well, seeing as that is what so many have been using against me in this forum, I decided to fight fire with fire. Don't tell me your mad because I beat you guys at your own game?

 

[TheJamesrocket]

Considering Beechnut is a pilot, and a former FAA crash scene investigator....you won't mind if his opinion carries a little more weight to me than yours do you? Didn't think so. I mean considering your little narrative has more holes than two swiss cheese wheels and a screen door, the official narrative is the only thing that makes sense.

Hey, why not? An appeal to authority is fine, as long as the individual being appealed to actually is an authority!... Right?

 

[TheJamesrocket]

Please demonstrate where anything I have written about 911 within the confines of my blog are physically or statistically impossible.

Attempt to reverse the burden of proof.

#1: I didn't direct that message to you. I wrote it for beechnut. #2: He specifically asserted that my narrative was "physically impossible", and I rightly called on him to demonstrate where and why (which he has yet to do).

Thus, your tangent is rejected. Next.

My suspension of disbelief doesn't stretch as far as yours does, I guess.

Speculation.

Given the fact that half of the american public still supports the BS war on terror (whose core tenets are taken on pure faith), I would be inclined to think otherwise.

 

[beachnut]

Please demonstrate where anything I have written about 911 within the confines of my blog are physically or statistically impossible.

http://kesler12-jamesrocket.blogspot.com/2013/07/military-officials-implicated-in-911.html
Non of what you made up happened. Your stuff is fantasy. Done. That was easy. Feel free to pick something you have and prove it is real. Go ahead, what is stopping you from proving your claims? Evidence. lol, math.

You will have your work cut out for you, I think. Again, its easier for me to accept nebulous, large scale government conspiracys than dozens of outrageous coincidences and anomolys. My suspension of disbelief doesn't stretch as far as yours does, I guess. Keep betting everything you have on the governments honesty, though, that seems to be working out real well for you. Remember, theres nothing to fear but fear itself!

Just like 911 truth, tons of words, no evidence.

So very, very lame. The fact that the hijackers had gained their plots licences is constantly used by debunkers as a deus ex machina to wave away the aerodynamic impossibilitys of what supposedly took place on 911, which could not have been overcome by anyone, no matter what their grade of piloting skills were (or were not, in this case). Never mind that hanni hanjour got his license from a hack instructor from israel, eddie shalev, who appears to have dropped off the face of the earth after 911.

A hack, now, for Israel, and cavemen for those of Islam. Wow, you like all races equally.

Oh, dropped off he earth? How on "earth" did the 911 commision interview him? lol, you are so full of racism it stinks.

Observation: Mr. Shalev would make a decent witness as part of a panel of flight instructors. His English language skills are good. Mr. Shalev has some reluctance, because he feels guilty that as a former Israeli soldier he was not more aware of Hanjour's radicalism and interest in flying in the Washington, D.C. area. His visa expires in July 2004 and he will have to return to Israel if he does not find another employer.
http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00551.pdf

Dropped off the earth? lol, you exagerate.

airport is located near Westminster, Maryland. Mr. Shalev said that the runway is small at Clearview and difficult to land. Hanjour landed at the airport without any difficulty. Mr. Shalev stated that based on his observations, Hanjour was a "good" pilot.

Wow, Hani can fly, who knew.

Why do you spread lies? Two big lies, or more.

wave away the aerodynamic impossibilitys of what supposedly took place on 911

There were zero aerodynamic impossibilities, and you can't name one or support it. Times like this you should have taken aerodynamics, I did, why did you fail to get an education which keeps you from spreading lies and making up delusional fantasies?

With the substance of your passage thus refuted, all that remains is its style, and... Wow, that has got to be the best example of projection I have ever seen! In case you don't know what this is, it is the habit of ascribing ones own negative qualities to other people or things, and a telltale sign of a guilty conscience. And guilty you should rightly feel, for there has always been an undertone of racism and xenophobia in the official story of 911. As a supporter of the governments narrative, this makes you an open advocate of violently racist policys.

Yes you do project a lot. You call Israelis hacks, and Muslims cavemen. Good for you, project this to me all you wish, it make you look more something.

I am the government, we the people. When I don't like a governor, we vote him out. I was on active duty on 911, what were you doing? I don't support the government narrative, I say 19 terrorists did 911, fire destroyed the WTC complex. You make up lies and fantasy. You lost, and I did research.

Any man with eyes to see could predict where the US was headed after 911, just look at the rhetoric they use to stigmatise the evil turban men! I quote: ''Administration officials also described 'terrorists' as hateful, treacherous, barbarous, mad, twisted, perverted, without faith, parasitical, inhuman, and, most commonly, evil. Americans, in contrast, were described as brave, loving, generous, strong, resourceful, heroic, and respectful of human rights.''

Cavemen, now turban men. Did you miss your sensitivity training? Now I know why they have it.

Go ahead call your buddy 19 terrorists misunderstood, as you call them cavemen. I would call murderers, like the 19, barbarous, as they killed the pilots and crew who stood in their way. But you ignore them and act as if they never existed. Upset how things went after 911 (did you vote for the wrong man? did you vote?), you make up lies and fantasy to lash out at policy you hate. Make up lies about 911. Like AE911Truth, you spread lies and don't care; you think spreading lies about 911 is right because you don't like what happened after 911. Check your logic.

http://kesler12-jamesrocket.blogspot.com/2013/07/military-officials-implicated-in-911.html
Yes, pick something you made up and make it real. Magic time.

 

[Axxman300]

One is that according to the official story, a handful of Arabs, mainly Saudi Arabians, operating independently of any government and competent intelligence service, men without James Bond and V for Vendetta capabilities...

James Bond is a fictional character who would be the worst spy in history were he real. V is a comic book character. So right off the bat your knowledge of espionage and highly trained covert operators is crap.

outwitted not only the CIA, FBI, and National Security Agency, but all 16 US intelligence agencies, along with all security agencies of America’s NATO allies and Israel’s Mossad.

Not really. The CIA and FBI outwitted themselves, and the NSA's actions were limited. Some NATO allies warned us of a possible attack, and Mossad warned us as well. Also Al Qaeda warned us, even bragging about the upcoming attack in July 2001. In May, 2001, the US Military closed off public access to all military bases over threats of terrorist attacks. New security fencing was added to many military posts around the country.

Nobody was "outwitted", it's just that nobody had a clear picture of the target and date of attack.

I will also point to Mr. Snowden, America's new most-wanted man, and how our new and improved intelligence machine hasn't been able to do jack squat to bring him in. And we know exactly where he is.

...not only did the entire intelligence forces of the Western world fail, but on the morning of the attack the entire apparatus of the National Security State simultaneously failed.

Not really. First, there never has been a National Security State in the US. NORAD, the NSC, DoD had never planned for this kind of attack. As it went they improvised very well, but it was just too late.

"Airport security failed four times in one hour."

Except they didn't. Four of the hijackers were held for extra screening, but knives and box cutters were allowed to be taken onto passenger jets on the morning of 9/11/2001. Also, many airlines had posted warnings about "Racial Profiling" in which it was clear that personnel could be fired for treating someone differently due to their nationality.

NORAD failed.

Nope

Air Traffic Control failed.

Nope, just the opposite in fact. 9/11 is one of US Air Traffic Control's finest hours considering the events of that day.

The US Air Force failed

.

Nope.

The National Security Council failed. Dick Cheney failed.

Nope, and Dick Cheney decided to stay in the White House bunker as AA77 was being down on Washington DC instead of running away. He is technically a badass.

The world’s only superpower was helpless at the humiliating mercy of a few undistinguished Arabs.

Yeah, pretty much.