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Adventures with AE911truth

WildCat; said:
Most of you guys are too new to have been here when Earth Sister was posting, but she's probably one of the nuttier posters ever at JREF. This is her web site, be sure to check out the album! Yes, space aliens were her thing...
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Wait, I create a whole thread dedicated to "twoofers" who made you go hmmmm.. And no one remembered this until now?!?! What other little gems of insanity are you guys hiding?
 
I have always liked the fact, that the fake Osama went into so much detail, that he even colored his beard grey in the middle with black stripes, just like Osama's real beard is grey in the middle with black stripes.
 
I'm going to assume Doug missed these the first time around, so I'm going to try it again...

Doug Plumb said:
"Or, how about the towers collapsing from fire when its obvious from the video that towers 1 & 2 were blown up & wtc7 was a perfectly executed conventional controlled demolition (textbook example). You can see pieces being ejected outward and upward during towers 1 & 2 collapse. Fire doesn't do that.
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Really? And what's your expertise and background which allows you to conclusively state that fire doesn't do that? I trust it's something more substantial than having watched Hollywood movies and TV shows.

Doug Plumb said:
As far as me being a Canadian Citizen, the reality is that we will all soon be citizens of the NAU, with virtually all the rights that humanity has fought for over the past 1000 years removed in secret. If they have their way you will not have the right of representation or the right of habeus corpus when arrested for a crime.
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Really? The items being discussed under the North American Union include changes to the procedures for the administration of criminal law? I presume you can point out the relevant passage from any documentation?

I wasn't aware of any legislation being proposed in Parliament which advocated the doing away with of Canadian legal tender and its replacement with U.S. dollars. Might you point me to the relevant bill? I wasn't aware that any legislation was before Parliament which proposed the abolishment of the nation of Canada and the seeking of statehood inside the United States. Might you point me to the relevant bill?

The major piece of news that was on CBC Newsworld this afternoon was a press conference by Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day addressing the RCMP pension fund scandal. I didn't see anything about the elimination of Canadian currency or the dissolution of Canada... you'd think the CBC or CTV would consider either of these to be rather major news stories...
 
Doug Plumb said:
This will be my last post on this forum. If I wanted you to know my business I would have pointed it out.

As far as my understanding of relevant ereas, ones does not need a mathematician to tell you that 2+2<5.

You people are pathetic & in some cases liars and you will not be hearing from me again.

As far as the AE911truth site, the question you ask has an obvious answer if you read the site.
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Your last post said it was your last post. So now I choose to ignore everything you say because you have proven yourself to be a liar. Come to think of it, we can use a 9/11 debunker with your skills. Meet me at the grove and we will iron out the details of your contract :)
 
Doug Plumb said:
You can research the European Union. Did you know they are considered guilty until proven innocent over there ?

If you want to read about what is happening you can learn from the UN document on Agenda 21.
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So we have an incredibly free media exposing 911 truth, but the EU government consider us innocent till proven guilty.

Um


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Totovader said:
I think that Doug has accurately represented the AE911Truth organization, here: lies, dodging, and complete lack of evidence.

The only thing that would be surprising is if Doug realized his failures, left the organization, and did some research.

I'd pay to see it.
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Considering the embarrassment he'd have to face which would be part of the realisation, I'm not sure that would happen. Its easier for him to remain one of the flock.
 
So I take it that AIDS being orchestrated by "higher powers" was not in fact admitted/proven to be true and that Alex Jones is in fact a big fat liar and conspiracy theorist. Thanks Doug.
 
3bodyproblem said:
Wait, I create a whole thread dedicated to "twoofers" who made you go hmmmm.. And no one remembered this until now?!?! What other little gems of insanity are you guys hiding?
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Some day, when you're ready, we will tell you the tale of 1inchrist.


...AND YOU WILL BURN IN THE HELLFIRE!
 
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beachnut said:
The AE9/11truth site is full of false information.
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It is indeed. Here is just a sampling. For example, it displays an image of some WTC debris with the caption "Previously molten metal was found "flowing like lava" by the FDNY in the basements of all 3 WTC High-rises. Surely everyone who has signed their petition and claims to be an *expert* is sufficiently well informed to know that's not a photo of molten steel but of pancaked floors with intact steel, reinforced concrete, pipes, etc. Apparently not.

The website shows an image with the caption: "Which 20 story building will fall to the ground first? Until 9/11/01 most physicists would have agreed that the one that didn't have to crush though 100,000 tons of steel would fall first — at free-fall speed. On 9/11, the example on the left "collapsed" at virtually free-fall speed! But this could only have been accomplished by removing the columns ahead of the fall — with explosives." What's being implied about what happened is a lie. The towers did not collapse at "virtually free-fall speed". Material thrown out to the side of the towers during the collapse reached the ground well ahead of the collapsing level of the tower ... contrary to what the caption is clearly suggesting.

The website states "The debris was equally distributed across a 1,400 ft. diameter. There are no "pancakes" stacked up at the bottom of either tower! " This too is a lie. The debris was not equally distributed over that diameter an area and the photo noted above that they called "previously molten metal" is in fact an example of pancaked floors. Several are one on top of another in that chunk of material.

Can *experts* be this clueless folks ... or do these *experts* just not bother to look beyond the nearest conspiracy website because they've got preconceived notions?

The website shows an image of a highly deformed steel member with the caption "It takes thousands of degrees to bend steel like this without buckling." This is a lie. Steel need only be softened then have force applied to it (say during a violent collapse) for something like this to happen.

The site claims that "Steven Jones, PhD physicist discovers previously molten iron spheres in the WTC dust which blanketed lower Manhattan. Sizes are up to 1/16" diameter. The findings are corroborated by EPA but not explained." False. The EPA expert that Dr Jones quoted concerning these spheres has published a report explaining them. And it's an innocuous explanation.

The website claims WTC 7 collapsed in 6.5 seconds. False. The east mechanical room on the roof disappeared into the roof more than 6 seconds before ae911*truth* claims the collapse began.

The website repeats the lie that "pull" is an industry term meaning "demolish". It repeats the lie that Silverstein told the NYC fire commander to "'pull' WTC 7". ae911*truth* members will not find the truth on a foundation of lies and misinformation.
 
While being interviewed by Barrett last weekend Gage claimed that the PM book was nothing but a bunch of strawman arguments like the "Star Wars death beam theory which nobody supports". Actually PM never mentioned that theory, as it was too recent. He then went on to complain that nobody had done a point-by-point debunking of his website.

Typical truther logic, 1 million points can be debunked, but then they will complain because their website hasn't specifically been adressed yet. It is the law of infinite claims.
 
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I have always liked the fact, that the fake Osama went into so much detail, that he even colored his beard grey in the middle with black stripes, just like Osama's real beard is grey in the middle with black stripes.
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It's a shame he left before he resolved the Osama Conundrum. I'll bet he was just the guy who could have done it.
 
BeAChooser:

Could you please provide a reference to the EPA expert that Dr Jones quoted concerning the WTC spheres who you claim has published a report explaining them.

Thanks!
 
Apollo20 said:
BeAChooser:

Could you please provide a reference to the EPA expert that Dr Jones quoted concerning the WTC spheres who you claim has published a report explaining them.

Thanks!
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I mistated when I wrote a report was published explaining them. What I meant to say is the EPA expert that Jones quoted concerning the WTC sphere reasonably explained them in a report. I'll have to dig to find the source and statement but I recall he said essentially what I believe you yourself have said on occasion ... that there are numerous sources that could produce such spheres ... friction, chemical reactions, cutting torches, welding, out-gassing from the so-called "pools" (sarcasm) of molten steel that were at the site. First I'll have to go back and identify who exactly at the EPA Jones cited in his various articles on this. When I find the time.
 
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