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Adventures with AE911truth

Doug, the thing you, and your mates just don't get, is that our debunking of pseudo scientific bovine manure conspiracy theories, are not the same as supporting George (word that rhymes with banker but starts with 'W') Bush.

Most of us, would love to see Bush impeached for his behaviour.

But at the same time, the mass murderer Osama Bin Laden, deserves to spend the rest of his life in a loony bin, wearing a strait jacket 24/7 and forced to watch interviews with the bereaved relatives of those his followers have slaughtered.

You my friend are a very misguided man.

I contacted your organisation, so that I could try and undo the damage done by the conspiracist propaganda.
 
Gravy, how you put up with these people, I don't know, you deserve a beer. And IF I'm ever in New York, name the pub, and I'll get you one.
 
As far as NIST goes, I have read ALL of the executive summaries, and I am presently embarking on the "Meat" of the first paper. For a non engineer, non-physical scientist, it is at times a little rough going, but them have dumbed it down enough, i should get through it.

TAM:)
 
peteweaver said:
Gravy, how you put up with these people, I don't know,
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Well, I try not to put up with them, but I've learned to spend little time on the ones who are clearly beyond redemption. I make an exception for people like Doug Plumb, whose arrogance makes mocking great fun.

you deserve a beer. And IF I'm ever in New York, name the pub, and I'll get you one.
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Cheers! Come quickly! I'm running dry!

Alareth said:
I don't think Gravy's liver could survive the number of beers he's been offered for his efforts.
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You mean my Irish/German/Welsh/French-Canadian liver? You have no idea what feats of strength it's capable of.
 
3bodyproblem said:
You guys are going fry me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure "wind load" "snow load" and "gravity load" are all part of the "dead load" here. The wind,snow and gravity load are all based in the probability of an event with a 95% likelihood of occurring? I'm not sure how this factors in.
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The reason why dead load is just self-weight and super-imposed loads is because those are ALWAYS there (except in remodelling instances). Engineers design to load cases, which are basically just factors of statistically worse case situations occuring. For instance, what's the likelyhood of a full live load event and full wind event occuring at the same time? Not that great, hence by ASCE, the load combination is dead + 0.75*wind + 0.75*live (these are ASD load cases so I'm pulling this out of my "filing cabinet"). There are load cases that involve live load, wind load, snow load, roof live load (construction, rain, etc), earthquake loads, lateral soil pressure loads, you get the idea. They're broken up into many different groups so that one can apply factors to them before combining them. This way we design the building so it's safe, but not that it can take a full live load event, during a 100-year snow and an earthquake at the same time. That's be ridiculous.
 
I keep thinking Doug's left us, but he keeps springing back up!

I think he's going for a new standard - getting banned by his own site. I can't believe that Gage, who's trying to present a front of technical knowledge, is going to let an obvious (and oblivious) know-nothing, and anti-everything-that-comes-up stay on board.

I think at any moment the name will disappear from the site and Doug will be left to troll here in relative anonymity.

Enjoy your fifteen minutes, Doug.
 
Newtons Bit said:
The reason why dead load is just self-weight and super-imposed loads is because those are ALWAYS there (except in remodelling instances). Engineers design to load cases, which are basically just factors of statistically worse case situations occuring. For instance, what's the likelyhood of a full live load event and full wind event occuring at the same time? Not that great, hence by ASCE, the load combination is dead + 0.75*wind + 0.75*live (these are ASD load cases so I'm pulling this out of my "filing cabinet"). There are load cases that involve live load, wind load, snow load, roof live load (construction, rain, etc), earthquake loads, lateral soil pressure loads, you get the idea. They're broken up into many different groups so that one can apply factors to them before combining them. This way we design the building so it's safe, but not that it can take a full live load event, during a 100-year snow and an earthquake at the same time. That's be ridiculous.
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Ahh, this makes sense. Load cases are specific events that are combined to determine safety code compliance. I've always heard these terms in relation to seismic upgrades, a specific case or "event". Now I understand.
 
Doug Plumb said:
You guys seem to talk a lot but almost never say anything. Then you had pixels to the conversation as if to emphasise the previous point with a further waste of bandwidth.
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Every single post you have made is a waste of bandwidth. Your point? You talk and have no facts. You have joined an organization with no facts to support crazy ideas about 9/11. A super waste of bandwidth. You have expressed so many CT ideas that span not only 9/11 but JFK and more. It is impressive you had time between hallucinations to get a degree, or did you sneak into the AEFT before they checked your credentials?

You have nothing to debunk. Good luck.
 
Gravy said:
Well, I try not to put up with them, but I've learned to spend little time on the ones who are clearly beyond redemption. I make an exception for people like Doug Plumb, whose arrogance makes mocking great fun.

Cheers! Come quickly! I'm running dry!

You mean my Irish/German/Welsh/French-Canadian liver? You have no idea what feats of strength it's capable of.
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You need to find a bar that is on the internet! And they have a Gravy deserves a beer on me page, paypal, or MC, and then you have a beer on me. So, when you find the pub who will post the page, please PM to see if it works.

I was not expecting new stuff from AEFT. But I was hoping they had something new. Maybe not as expected, AEFT turned out to be the same old junk. It reminds me of The Sixth Sense. I see truthers, I see them all over the internet, they do not even know they are nuts (or dolts, or idiots). weak but it is late, beer, or wine, where is the beer tab page.
 
But at the same time, the mass murderer Osama Bin Laden, deserves to spend the rest of his life in a loony bin, wearing a strait jacket 24/7 and forced to watch interviews with the bereaved relatives of those his followers have slaughtered.
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What evidence do you have that bin Laden did 911 ? Have you reported this evidence to the FBI ? They have none and could likely use your help.
 
I'd like to know how it controls the media of other nations so that they don't talk either.
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They don't control the media of other nations. The media of other nations doen't get into the USA or Canada.

If you look for it and read/ watch it you will find that the whole world is laughing at you.

Mainstream European media has done huge shows about 9/11 being an inside job.
 
Doug Plumb said:
They don't control the media of other nations. The media of other nations doen't get into the USA or Canada.

If you look for it and read/ watch it you will find that the whole world is laughing at you.

Mainstream European media has done huge shows about 9/11 being an inside job.
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You just make it up as you go along, don't you?

Is 'Doug Plumb Electrical Engineer' your fathers name and profession?
 
Doug Plumb said:
They don't control the media of other nations. The media of other nations doen't get into the USA or Canada.

If you look for it and read/ watch it you will find that the whole world is laughing at you.

Mainstream European media has done huge shows about 9/11 being an inside job.
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Doug

Still waiting to a response to my suggestion that we have a substantive technical discussion regarding your claims; look forward to hearing from you on that.

In the interim I watch mainstream European media on a daily basis, what with me being European, but the only programmes I've seen about 911 are debunking the conspiracy theories. What ones are you thinking of, precisely?

Regards,

A.
 
Doug Plumb said:
They don't control the media of other nations. The media of other nations doen't get into the USA or Canada.

If you look for it and read/ watch it you will find that the whole world is laughing at you.

Mainstream European media has done huge shows about 9/11 being an inside job.
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Really?

When?
I must have blinked that millisecond, because I've not seen a single one.


You need to look at the media yourself, instead of taking the word of your fellow Truthers as gospel.

Europeans laugh at Truthers on those rare occasions when a European becomes of aware of 9/11 Truthers and their insanity. They are laughing at YOU, Mr. Plumb.
 
Doug Plumb said:
They don't control the media of other nations. The media of other nations doen't get into the USA or Canada.

If you look for it and read/ watch it you will find that the whole world is laughing at you.

Mainstream European media has done huge shows about 9/11 being an inside job.
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:boggled:

Actually, Loose Change has been shown on TV in a number of European countries (the Netherlands, a shortened version in Belgium, probably other countries).

But, contrary to what you suggest, support for the 9/11-inside-job theory is almost inexistant in the media here.

As far as the general public is concerned, most don't even know about these theories.
And most of those who are aware of them recognize them for the BS they are.

In short, a situation quite similar to what you have in the US and Canada.
 
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