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Where are the links to other debunking of Ian Ridpath?
Thank you. I asked Skyeagle this direct question, so he made up two new unrelated stories on the spot instead.

If this is the best UFO researcher, he's harming the pro-UFO cause more than promoting it.
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PC Brian Cresswell : (Inspected the rabbit scrapings) "There were three marks in the area which did not follow a set pattern. The impression made by these marks were of no depth and could have been made by an animal.”
https://drdavidclarke.co.uk/secret-files/secret-files-4/

"Forester Vince Thurkettle – who lived in the forest at the time of the incident – also visited the landing site about six weeks later after hearing rumours about a UFO landing. He too was left unimpressed by what he saw. Thurkettle said the three depressions found by the USAF airmen in the clearing resembled holes produced by burrowing animals."
https://drdavidclarke.co.uk/secret-files/secret-files-4/

"As for the radiation detected at the “landing site” three independent scientific experts, including the makers of the Geiger counter, have since stated there was nothing unusual in the levels recorded by Halt’s team in the forest. They were simply background levels that would be expected in a pine forest."


Here are two lies.


You are directly lying again. Name the person who took subsequent radiation levels and found them higher than the normal background radiation. You simply lied.

For entertainment purposes, here is a photo of the three rabbit scrapings in discussion. Skyeagle will now explain why the grass isn't even bent in his magical 7 inch diameter landing marks.

Prediction: He will come back with a post about a different UFO case.
 
Yep, I was interested in fringe, pseudo science and UFO in the late 60's but I grew up! I did see two UFO's one remains mysterious (to me) the other many years later I resolved when I saw the same thing - it was birds circling above a well lite outdoor festival.

I stopped debating UFO fanatics in the late 90's it just became a game of endless repetition, intellectual whack a mole.

Spot the disconnect?
 
One of the things I find fascinating about people who think UFO's are Alien Spacecraft of some kind is the similarity between the "evidence" for it and for the European Witchcraze.

For example:

1), In both cases much was made of the fact that many / most of the witnesses to it were sane, rational people not given to hallucinations, hysteria etc.

In case of the Witchcraze those who doubted the phenomena pointed out that much of the evidence came from people who were either crazed or tortured. But the Witchhunters said many / most of the people involved were perfectly sane and many were not even arrested but sought out the Witchhunters and calmly and rationally confessed to being Witches.

And these rational calm, uncoerced, people rationally and calmly talked about taking part in the Black Mass, the pact with Satan, flying through the air to the Witches Sabbat, sex with Satan, etc. How cried the Witchhunters could the skeptics reject such calm, rational evidence produced, by fine upstanding people like Lawyers, prosperous Merchants, Priests etc?

2) Firther the Witchhunters like modern UFO enthusiasts say if these accounts are the result of hysteria, fantasy etc., how come they are so similar to each other? How could accounts converge and seemlt support each other if it was all BS?

Thus the Witchhunters would refer to accounts in which two people who didn't know each other would describe seemly the same Witches Sabbat. How could this be if it was fantasy / nonsense?

3) Physical evidence Both UFO and the WitchHunters asserted that if properly interpreted there was physical evidence for their phenomena. In both cases broken branches, patches of ground that became "inexplicably" bare etc., were evidence of Witchcraft or UFOs as Alien craft.

4) And in both cases if you failed to accept the interpretation of the "evidence etc., like UFOs are spacecraft proponents, the Witchhunters asserted that showed you were closeminded and not open to possibilities that were clerarly indicated. ASo you has a skeptic needed to open your mind and not "dogmatically: reject the notion that Witches flew to the Sabbat where they celebrated a Black Mass, had sex with Satan, sacrificed babies bred for sacrifice, (All trace of being pregnant magically erased by Satan, and the Witches conjurted spells to summon even more demons bring on storms and plague etc. If you didn't accept that has a possibility that indicated you were claseminded and dogmatic and nort willing to look at the evidence.

5) Both UFO proponents of them being Alien spacecraft and the Witchhunters would concede that many of th cases were the result of hysteria, delusion, misperception etc., but there was always that unexplained residue that could not be explained in those ways so of course it must mean thast some of the UFOs are Alien Spacecraft and to the Witchhunters that Witches were absoloutely real, along with the pact with Satan etc.

Of course it turned out that the whole European Witchcraze was indeed a collective mass delusion. The whole Witches Sabbat fantasy was just that a fantasy. I suspect the UFO has Alien spacecraft is a similar fantasy.

Yes a more modern version of this were a percentage of the Muslim people I worked with for decades who would report encounters with Djinn, who while invisible could become visible if need be or would take over other people. These were in some cases western educated professionals.

Not unlike Christians reporting demons, the devil and angels talking to them.
 
Prediction: He will come back with a post about a different UFO case.

Isn't that the standard MO - quantity versus quality. Kinda like the 'giants' conspiracy. Tons of reports when all they need is one good bone or tooth.

I use to tell such folks; stop posting the same reports and rumours over and over again and fund excavations and re-investigation of existing collections.....
 
Ye gods I'm getting sucked back into UFOlogy:eek:............aaaaaaaaaaahhhhh.

Running for the door......................
 
The contents of this thread resembles the other reason I walked away from UFO stuff.

There is an inability to focus on a single topic with the UFO crowd, and it ALWAYS works against them.

The issue at hand is the 2004 UFO-US Navy incident off of San Diego, CA.

The facts are these:

The F-18's were alerted by the USS Princeton, an Aegis, Ticonderoga Class cruiser. This means the F-18's and their home ship, the USS Nimitz, didn't see the radar contacts, or disregarded them.

The F-18's made visual contact, but could not close on the target, nor could they identify it.

That's it, that's all she wrote.

None of this has anything to do with Roswell, Brentwaters, Minot AFB, or any of the big-names in UFO mythology. Dragging these cases into the discussion clouds a simple issue: What did the F-18's actually see, did the Princeton make copy of their radar data (is that even possible)?

Nobody in the Navy is saying little green men here, just that they got a blip on their radar, and the jets chased something for a short time.

Me? I'm going with atmospheric phenomenon. The area of the Pacific is where the Alaskan Current gives way to the warmer currents coming up from the equator, and while I am no way qualified to speak to the science I am pretty sure it had something to do with that.
 
Me? I'm going with atmospheric phenomenon. The area of the Pacific is where the Alaskan Current gives way to the warmer currents coming up from the equator, and while I am no way qualified to speak to the science I am pretty sure it had something to do with that.

It is well known that temperature inversions and propagation ducts can cause all sorts of anomalies in primary radar including incorrect target ranges and the appearance of targets travelling at high or near impossible speeds.

Incorrect range is usually caused by temperature inversion. This happens when heat radiates from the ground on clear nights, and is especially prevalent on cold winter nights. The ground temperature drops while the upper levels of the atmosphere remain comparatively warm. This is the reverse of the normal temperature gradient (under normal conditions, air temperature usually decreases with height). The result of this is that the radar beam is ducted along the ground extending the normal range of the radar, causing distant targets to appear closer in the PPI because the beam return from the target falls in the following pulse repetition period.

Extremely high speed targets sometimes happen due to wave interactions at the edges of the duct. Its difficult to describe how this happens, but the nearest analogy I can give is this. If you have ever stood on a steepish beach watching small waves break, sometimes the waves will be coming in almost, but not quite parallel to the beach front. Even though the waves are coming in very slowly, the break can run along the beach so fast that if you were chasing it, it would be impossible to keep up. Its these breaks in the waves that run between the boundary layers of the air that get detected by the radar, and it is not unusual for them to appear to be travelling at thousands of kilometres per hour.

These are all well-known, well-understood phenomena known as Anomalous Propagation, but you will never get Flying Saucer nutcases to accept this... too much science for their pea-brains.
 
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Me? I'm going with atmospheric phenomenon. The area of the Pacific is where the Alaskan Current gives way to the warmer currents coming up from the equator, and while I am no way qualified to speak to the science I am pretty sure it had something to do with that.

I'll say, um, witches. Yeah, that's the ticket. Witches on broomsticks. Turbo broomticks!

Prove it's not.
 
So when General/Admiral so and so of Wright Patterson or whichever facility/incident (take your pick), since the 1940s, supposedly said interplanetary this and extraterrestrial that, what's going on? Including the various other military, pilots, etc saying ET or visitors or however they put it.
Or did they not even say those things....


There have been admirals, generals, intelligence officials, military and commercial pilots, air traffic controllers, scientist, astronomers, engineers, etc, around the world saying that the objects are those of extraterrestrials. It was clear that the Roswell incident had nothing to do with balloons because the military would not have released this news story over a weather balloon or even a simple unclassified research balloon known as Project Mogul.

https://i.huffpost.com/gen/676970/thumbs/s-ROSWELLHEADLINE-large300.jpg?


During the Roswell incident of the first week of July 1947, saucers were also overflying the Muroc AFB area in California in July 8, 1947 and documentation also available on the Muroc AFB case and it was clear the saucers over Muroc AFB had nothing to do with balloons or aircraft. Muroc AFB is now known as Edwards AFB.

Muroc AFB UFOs

http://www.nuforc.org/Muroc.html
 
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Skyeagle what was your MOS and rank in the Air Force?

53470, E-6.

I served 4 years (1967-71) and got out and went to work for the U.S. Navy as a civil servant where I worked on submarines in California for 18 months whereas, I received my appointment as an Air Reserve Technician (ART) at Travis AFB. I was not only an airframe technician, but I also flew as a DCC assistant (1983-84) on the C-5A transport as well. My aircraft, on one mission in the Pacific, was involved in flying recovery gear from Subic Bay, Philippines to Yokota AB, Japan in support for the recovery of Korean Flt 007, which was shot down by the Soviets. We were flying a typical 'Round Robin' mission in the Pacific and were at Clark airbase, Philippines for crew rest when we got word to fly down to Subic Bay.

As an Air Reserve technician (ART) at Travis, my civilian and military positions were combined and after my retirements, I became employed with defense contractors at Travis AFB, and at the Corpus Christi Army Depot (CCAD) where I was involved in the overhauling and modifying of the Army's helicopters and went into permanent retirement two months after bin Laden was killed.

I find it interesting that Travis AFB ( Fairfield-Suisun Army Air Base) is mentioned on multiple occasions in Project Blue Book.
 
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Don't go yet because it has been determined that the objects the Navy pilots saw were not weather balloons.
1) No one claimed anyone saw weather balloons.

2) You are very upset because you just found out the original fake Nimitz tic tac UFO video was on You tube in 2007 and Elizondo's new company made a new fake version that Tom Delonge showed at that company's launch in October 2016. :D

Tsk tsk tsk.......try harder next time.
 
I like how these aliens clearly have very weird agenda. For decades all the did was they get spotted time to time, while doing what ? Scouting ? But it's not like they scouted the planet 50 years ago and invaded it soon after. No .. they are still just scouting. They also didn't leave, and the also didn't learn from being spotted.
 
The issue at hand is the 2004 UFO-US Navy incident off of San Diego, CA.

The facts are these:

The F-18's were alerted by the USS Princeton, an Aegis, Ticonderoga Class cruiser. This means the F-18's and their home ship, the USS Nimitz, didn't see the radar contacts, or disregarded them.

The F-18's made visual contact, but could not close on the target, nor could they identify it.


Thank you! And, it is time to get this back on track.

It is clear the objects the Navy pilots encountered were not balloons nor aircraft and the objects exhibited extreme maneuvers far beyond anything known to mankind, which simply means that if the objects that exhibited such advanced maneuvers are not those of mankind, then they came from somewhere else.
 
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