Adnan Syed - Serial / Undisclosed

lionking said:
Thanks, but I'm having trouble understanding pages of legalese. Can you please summarise?
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http://time.com/4103619/serials-adnan-syed-post-conviction-proceedings-appeal/

On Friday, Judge Martin P. Welch granted Adnan Syed post-conviction proceedings on his case, according to court documents. The proceedings will add in the testimony of Asia McClain, a friend who could provide Syed’s alibi, and information about cell tower locations that could change the timeline presented at trial, according to the Chicago Sun Times. The high school student was convicted of murdering his classmate Hei Min Lee in 1999, but the podcast, which quickly gained a huge following, raised doubts about his guilt.
 
Desert Fox said:
Looks like the Cell Phone data is pretty much deep sixed. . . .
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...adnan-syed-case-affidavit-20151013-story.html

Abraham Waranowitz, a former AT&T engineer, said in a sworn affidavit that he was handed only one page of cellphone information before taking the stand in 2000 to explain how Syed's cellphone was linked to where the victim's body was found. He said he did not know of a disclaimer on a different page that might have cast doubt on the reliability of the data.
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Waranowitz himself made a public statement stating it may or may not have changed his testimony. Not quite the deep six you were counting on.
 
Ampulla of Vater said:
Waranowitz himself made a public statement stating it may or may not have changed his testimony. Not quite the deep six you were counting on.
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The cover sheet says the cell phone data is not reliable and that is not presented to the defense yet this is fully acceptable to you. I guess Brady means nothing to you. . . .
 
In order to raise a claim of Brady or IAC, Syed's attorney needs to set forth a specific allegation as to exactly how the testimony would have changed- and more, how and why the changed testimony would have made a difference to overall outcome.

A lawyer can't litigate a Brady or IAC claim base on speculation ("what if?") --the lawyer needs to set out in their pleadings what they are prepared to prove in court. Justin Brown failed to do this because the cover sheet has no legal significance whatsoever. It is inadmissible hearsay. It might as well be a note scribbled on toilet paper. It wasn't part of the exhibit produced pursuant to the subpoena, and it wasn't authenticated.

Waranowitz edited his LinkedIn page to include the following statement:
"As an engineer with integrity, it would be irresponsible to not address the absence of the disclaimer on the documents I reviewed, which may (or may not have) affected my testimony. I have NOT abandoned my testimony, as some have claimed. The disclaimer should have been addressed in court. Period."
 
lionking said:
Well I think the appeal will raise enough doubts to see the sentence overturned.
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If you look at cases, the prosecution will almost never admit to making a mistake. . . .Look at the just concluded Russ Faria case.

In this case, being that Don seems to have a completely faked alibi, I am beginning to think that Don is likely who killed Hae.
 
Desert Fox said:
I suspect that Ampulla of Vater got what he posted previously from Reddit.

The poster claims to be an ex trial attorney have a secret source where he/she optioned pictures of the body.

The newest Serial Dynasty addresses this remark. Bob has pictures of the body, mainly so that he could pass them to Jim Clemente (surprise, surprise, he was also involved in the Amanda Knox case) so that Jim could do a profile of the perpetrator. Bob is also going to ask Jim Clemente to back him on on the description so I don't think he is lying.

According to Bob, the poster on Reddit appears to have been completely dishonest about the position of the body and the body was not in a position where the chest was downwards. I laid on the ground as he described the body and there is no way to twist my body towards the ground.

If this person is an ex trial attorney though, I think I can give a name to him. . . . Kevin Urick.

Ann B also claims to have looked at the pictures and is either being dishonest about seeing them or is lying about what the pictures showed.

Edit: Should add that while Bob now things that Adnan is innocent, he was not always of that position.
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I missed this post. I don't come over here as often as I used to. Jim Clemente was interviewed by Bob. It was one of the few times Bob was bordering on speechless. Clemente stated the following attributes were present in Hae's killer:

  • Not criminally sophisticated.
  • Young and impulsive.
  • Motive was NOT robbery and NOT rape. Motive was PERSONAL CAUSE, as in rage or revenge.
  • Less than 1% chance it was a serial killer.

First he profiled Hae and stated that since she was not into drugs or prostitution, she was a low-risk victim. This meant her killer was most likely someone from within a small circle of people close to her. It was probably someone who had a relationship with her and this relationship was known by other people to exist. This is why she was hidden away after she was murdered, to prevent her discovery. A stranger doesn't care if his victims are found.

Clemente described Syed right down to his socks.

ETA: I personally gave the photos to Ann Brocklehurst at the same time they were given to xtrialatty, so I can assure you she has them. Each of the 3 of us who obtained the MPIA chose one person to whom to give the file. The file included color photos Undisclosed admittedly did not have and therefore were not given to Hlavity for her analysis either.
 
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Ampulla of Vater said:
I missed this post. I don't come over here as often as I used to. Jim Clemente was interviewed by Bob. It was one of the few times Bob was bordering on speechless. Clemente stated the following attributes were present in Hae's killer:

  • Not criminally sophisticated.
  • Young and impulsive.
  • Motive was NOT robbery and NOT rape. Motive was PERSONAL CAUSE, as in rage or revenge.
  • Less than 1% chance it was a serial killer.

First he profiled Hae and stated that since she was not into drugs or prostitution, she was a low-risk victim. This meant her killer was most likely someone from within a small circle of people close to her. It was probably someone who had a relationship with her and this relationship was known by other people to exist. This is why she was hidden away after she was murdered, to prevent her discovery. A stranger doesn't care if his victims are found.

Clemente described Syed right down to his socks.

ETA: I personally gave the photos to Ann Brocklehurst at the same time they were given to xtrialatty, so I can assure you she has them. Each of the 3 of us who obtained the MPIA chose one person to whom to give the file. The file included color photos Undisclosed admittedly did not have and therefore were not given to Hlavity for her analysis either.
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And? Does this in any way prove guilt?
 
lionking said:
And? Does this in any way prove guilt?
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Criminal profiling is a useful tool to help narrow the field when looking for a suspect. Profilers attempt to discern what type of person is most likely to have committed the crime. It is a product of the FBI, so you'd have to ask them why they believe it to be useful and for this case, you'd have to ask Bob the fireman why he put so much hoopla into having Clemente profile Hae's killer. One thing I am certain about is that BtF did not expect Clemente to describe Syed perfectly. He even tried to steer Clemente into saying things toil rule out Syed, but Clemente stuck to his theory. I only brought it up because Desert Fox mentioned Clemente.

"Does this prove guilt?"
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Obviously it does not in and of itself. When it is added to all the other evidence, it completes the picture.

"Clemente's profile fits Don."
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No, it does not, not at all. Don and Hae were dating for less than a week. They did not have the type of relationship Clemente described. And really, how much rage can one build up in less than a week to commit what Clemente termed as a rage and revenge murder?
 
Ampulla of Vater said:
No, it does not, not at all. Don and Hae were dating for less than a week. They did not have the type of relationship Clemente described. And really, how much rage can one build up in less than a week to commit what Clemente termed as a rage and revenge murder?
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Crash and burn. . . .

By the police reports it was one day short of two weeks that they had officially been dating and there had been something going on for longer than that by Hae's diary.

Are you now going to accuse Susan Simpson of forging police reports?
 
Desert Fox said:
Crash and burn. . . .

By the police reports it was one day short of two weeks that they had officially been dating and there had been something going on for longer than that by Hae's diary.

Are you now going to accuse Susan Simpson of forging police reports?
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Oh good lord. Whatever. I am not going to argue over 7 days and what constitutes official dating. Don and Hae worked together at Lenscrafters. She had a crush on Don, but Don had no idea. She was a teenager. Her diary writings in December go from "I love Adnan" to "I love Don" and back again in less than a page.

Don and Hae went out to eat together after work on 1/1. They did not even kiss. At what point are they dating? Two days earlier she went out after work with a different male co-worker, was that a date? Two weeks earlier she wrote in her diary that she was so sorry to Adnan (for having a crush on Don) and that Adnan was her true love and "No more Don."

FFS I will concede that I should have written "less than 2 weeks" if that makes you happy. My point was Hae and Adnan were dating and having sex for coming up on a year. Don and Hae were dating for 13 days (and Don says she was more into it than he was.)

Which one fits the bill for someone who would have had revenge and rage in their mind/heart/body - the guy she just started dating or the guy she'd been seriously dating for a year who just got tossed aside?
 
You believe what a person says who completely fabricated their alibi. . . .I see.

Maybe Don did not murder Hae but he certainly fabricated his alibi before it was even known that she was murdered.

BTW: What happened to having experts look at those pictures of the body that you are suppose to have?
 
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Desert Fox said:
You believe what a person says who completely fabricated their alibi. . . .I see.

Maybe Don did not murder Hae but he certainly fabricated his alibi before it was even known that she was murdered.

BTW: What happened to having experts look at those pictures of the body that you are suppose to have?
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This is hilarious. You tell me I am wrong because Don told the police they began dating on 1/1 and in the very next post you tell ME I am the one with a problem because I am believing Don. You can't make this **** up!

What I wrote in my post was straight from Hae's diary. They were Hae's words, not mine. It appears you think I obtained my information from Don, but that is not so. My information was from Hae.

I am not paying for any experts to look at the photos I have. No matter what any expert says, it will not persuade those people who refuse to look at the evidence against Syed. If you or someone you know would like to pay for experts, go hire some and I will gladly provide the pictures.

Otherwise I am finished here. Your accusations are all over the place, you go from asking why BtF would lie and, when I point out that he does not have all the pictures, you resort to if-they-aren't-introduced-at-trial-then-they-are-no-good and then start claiming a Brady violation over something entirely different. When I explain how it cannot legally possibly be a Brady violation you jump to criminal-profiling-is-useless. When I explain how profiling is used successfully by respected agencies such as the FBI you switch to crash-and-burn-because-you-are-6-days-off. Now it is some rambling about me believing information from someone who faked an alibi when I was quoting an entirely different person. This is not honest debate about 2 differing opinions. I'm moving on.

If anyone is truly interested in this case and wants real information about it, feel free to PM me.
 
So you agree that Don's alibi is a complete fabrication, created before anybody else knew that Hae was murdered, yet you see nothing suspicious about that. . . .Interesting, very interesting.

The thing is that you are arguing about Don's mental state based on what he told the detective, a person whom is willing to fabricate an elaborate alibi for a crime that did not exist (legally) yet.

Of course, if Don is the killer, he will very likely try to make the relationships seem less intense than it might actually be.

It is interesting how you have pictures of unknown providence that the prosecution did not use at trial yet you are unwilling to try to get them properly authenticated. Another very interesting statement.
 
Undisclosed is getting unbearably pretentious, hipster and artsy fartsy. It was hard to listen to this last episode. Too much filler, too much faux-personna. That said, I wait with anticipation for each new episode!

I like the serial dynasty podcast a bit better, but I have doubts about it.

The Don thing is really interesting. If its as Bob Ruff spells out, what in the world is going on with his fake timesheet?
 
pipelineaudio said:
Undisclosed is getting unbearably pretentious, hipster and artsy fartsy. It was hard to listen to this last episode. Too much filler, too much faux-personna. That said, I wait with anticipation for each new episode!

I like the serial dynasty podcast a bit better, but I have doubts about it.

The Don thing is really interesting. If its as Bob Ruff spells out, what in the world is going on with his fake timesheet?
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Based on that, he has to be #1 suspect. I had long suspected him before this but it was because he did not get back to the cops until 0130 when they asked him if he knew anything.

Assuming that Don did murder Hae, I don't think there is any actual hope of getting enough evidence to go to court with it however.
 
Listen to the latest Truth and Justice with Bob Ruff - Jay, in his testimony, and some point stated that he could see the body being buried due to the moon reflecting off the snow.

Bob Ruff has done some research and it appears as if there was no snow on the ground that day but I don't think it even matters. One the night of Jan 13 and 14, 1999, the Moon did not rise in Baltimore until 4:37 am on January 14 and had an illumination factor of 9.3%

Basically, his story does not match the moon at all.
http://www.timeanddate.com/moon/usa/baltimore?month=1&year=1999
 
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