Adm: I desperately need help

[Dr. MAS]

Dear Administrator

Before I would like to request you, I would like to introduce myself, I am a busy homeopath. I arrange homeopathic seminars, medical camps, workshops and symposiums free. I also teach students in homeopathic colleges, for this purpose I do not take salary. I have been practicing homeopathy for above 20 years now. I am also providing free medicines without charging consultation. I am running many organizations, but I am not the executive member of any of them due my official commitments.

Sir, this is not possible for me to visit this forum on daily basis. This is a very good informative forum where we are discussing on serious issues for which I need daily update. As I have to move to different colleges for lecture programs where I don’t have access to Internet, to keep track of my interested topic, I need help from my two assistants and sometime from my homeopathic colleagues, which keep track of my threads.

Sir, I request your honour to please help me in finding the solution of this problem. I propose the following suggestions.

1. As we are aware of this fact that duplicate aliases are not allowed at randi forum, so allow my one assistant to get registration at this forum who will post at this forum in my absence just to keep track of discussion. I assure you he will not send posts without my permission because I do not want to create confusion neither I do not want to deceive anyone. I, only write with one alias but at other forums, there is no such rule where my account was not allowed to use by anyone else, neither no body can recognize if my assistant send posts under my name. My assistant will keep in touch with me through my mobile and will send posts under my guidance.

2. If the above proposal is not permitted or not feasible then allow my assistant to use my account to send posts in my absence. When he will send posts by using my log in identity then he will write his full name, in this way confusion will not create.


Sir, I do not speak lie. I hope you will take decision on sympathetic ground and will approve one of the above proposal. Before taking decision, please keep in mind that for my assistant it is very easy to use my log in identity to send posts at JREF forum under my real name “Dr. MAS” and for you to recognize my dummy posts is very difficult if he does not write his real name but if this happens then this would be a great fraud and my inner conscious does not permit me to adopt this technique where my assistant is sending posts under my name and people are not aware of this fact that they are discussing not with me but with my camouflage assistant in the form of disguise Dr. MAS.

I hope you will not force me to speak lie at forum. I think, second proposal is the most suitable one because I do not want to create duplicate alias. For me it is most suitable for my assistant to send posts in my absence under his own real name. Please keep in mind; both are already using my real email addresses for replying posts to patients and homeopathic friends. My colleagues already know that.

The second proposal is not new one; many official personalities are already practicing this method. Don’t you think, an executive of an association will reply all his mails himself? Our President is receiving one thousand mails per month, do you think, if people are receiving replies than all replies were written by the president himself. No his assistants are replying under the name of president by using his ID. There is no paranormal involve in this method

I assure you, I will not allow my assistants to use my JREF account unless you take decision and permit me to do so.

Looking forward for your cooperation.

Dr. MAS
www.drmas.tk

 

[Kiless]

Save time - have a new account called 'Mas Assistant' that's exclusively for him/her.

 

[CFLarsen]

Save time - have a new account called 'Mas Assistant' that's exclusively for him/her.

Just make sure that it is only the assistant that create and use the account.

 

[Darat]

Dr MAS - I was not able to fully follow your email so I apologise if I have misunderstood your requests.

1) Deliberate use of an account by more then person is not allowed and persistent misuse will result in sanctions being applied.
2) Anyone (not previously banned) is allowed to register here and if they meet the few requirements in the registration process (e.g. agree to abide by the rules etc. for the forum, provide their full name and country of origin (and for the USA their State)) their registration will be approved.

If you have any friends or colleagues that wish to post here they only have to apply and providing they provide the details above they will be granted a Membership.

I hope this answers your questions.

 

[Kiless]

Just make sure that it is only the assistant that create and use the account.

Oh, absolutely. And it seems like the most obvious way to 'speak on behalf' and be a registered person without all this 'change the rules for me please' business.

 

[Rolfe]

I wonder if Mas and his assistant share one computer? Could that be the reason for this seemingly inexplicable request?

Mas, two different members can post from the same computer. Many people do this who share one computer within a family, for example husbands and wives who are both JREF members.

All that is required is for you to log out from the forum, and then for your assistant to log himself in using his own user name and password. Nothing in the world is preventing him from registering in this way, in his own name or any pseudonym he wishes to adopt (so long as it doesn't already belong to someone else). Then he can post as often as he has access to a computer, and he can say anything he likes as often as he likes, without requiring any permission from you or anyone else.

Rolfe.

 

[Zep]

I suspect that Dr MAS, the chairman of the NHC Computer Club with degrees in computing and a forum manager himself, etc, knows all about how to switch users by logging in/out.

This smacks to me of a setup for a cop-out, now his bluff has been called on explaining homeopathy to enquiring and knowledgeable chemistry minds. I'm willing to bet he will ignore all your kind advice, and go back to his homeo mates saying that we "locked him and his assistant out of this forum" in some fashion. And they will nod their heads and agree that we are too scared to face the reality of homeopathy and the fearsome Dr MAS of homeopathic fame.

Shall we see if my little prediction is close??

 

[Rolfe]

I suspect that Dr MAS, the chairman of the NHC Computer Club with degrees in computing and a forum manager himself, etc, knows all about how to switch users by logging in/out.

Quite right, I'd forgotten that bit. He just comes over as so slow on the uptake that it's difficult to credit that any of that is actually true. And I don't think it's a language issue either.

Why can't he just post this great scientific explanation of homoeopathy already?

Rolfe.

 

[Mojo]

I suspect that Dr MAS, the chairman of the NHC Computer Club

Ah, but what exactly is a "homeopathic computer" (he describes himself as Chief Executive of the
World Homeopathic Computer Club)?

 

[Mojo]

Save time - have a new account called 'Mas Assistant' that's exclusively for him/her.

wouldn't 'MAS debater' be more appropriate?

 

[Chris Haynes]

I wonder if Mas and his assistant share one computer? Could that be the reason for this seemingly inexplicable request?

Mas, two different members can post from the same computer. Many people do this who share one computer within a family, for example husbands and wives who are both JREF members.

...

Would there be a problem if they seemed to have only one email account? Would that be cured by creating a hotmail or yahoo email address?

Though I am not a computer expert by any stretch of the imagination... we do have a household computer that is used by multiple persons, each with their own email account.

 

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Adm: I desperately need help

Why do I get the feeling we will all end up in agreement on this point?

 

[Dr. MAS]

Dr MAS - I was not able to fully follow your email so I apologise if I have misunderstood your requests.

Your shadows understood what I was trying to say and you did not. OK, I explain it in other words.

Wait, I going to office.

 

[Chris Haynes]

That for a being a "Student of Mass Communication" that you seem to be clueless on how to:

1) Create multiple email addresses on one computer.

2) Create a seperate JREF account for another user on the computer.

Which follows since you seem to be clueless on explaining your homeopathic concepts, or even understanding basic high school chemistry.

 

[Dr. MAS]

I requested to consider my application on special ground:

My Assistant may be allowed to use my ID to send posts at discussion forum. The reason is, I am not available all the time. In my absence, he will send the post with my permission, the only thing is, he will write his name when he will send the post under my user’s ID so that members at Randiland may not be confused. This is due to the reason that Pakistan is a poor country and many of us have limited Internet access.

If you do not permit then allow my assistant to create another account at Randiland with his own name. In this case that would be of duplicate alias on the same computer, which I am using. Do you allow duplicate alias?

The last and most important is, how many users at Randi forum are using duplicate aliases? If husband and wife, daughter and sister are using same computer, what would you call them duplicate alias or separate users. If they are separate then how can you recognize them?

If you allow my assistant to create another account at Randiland by using same computer, then for him is this necessary to disclose his identity as “assistant to Dr. MAS” when he as a separate individual has the right create his own account as separate ID without disclosing the relationship with me. What is your recommendation?

P.S, I request to all other members to stay out side. This mail was addressed to administrator. I am astonished to read that a mail which was purely addressed to administrator on administrative issues other members are protruding their mouth in it and administrator is silent. He should warn them not to pressurize administrator before taking decision.

 

[Chris Haynes]

..

P.S, I request to all other members to stay out side. This mail was addressed to administrator. I am astonished to read that a mail which was purely addressed to administrator on administrative issues other members are protruding their mouth in it and administrator is silent. He should warn them not to pressurize administrator before taking decision.

Then use a private message!!

AND it is NOT a "mail" message it is a forum message... which can be read by anyone with internet access. One does not even have to register or log in to read these messages.

You are showing the whole world that you do not know how to work mulitple accounts on the same computer. Many, and we mean MANY users of the JREF forums have family members who are have seperate accounts. All you have to do is observe the posts and get to know them.

 

[Darat]

I requested to consider my application on special ground:

My Assistant may be allowed to use my ID to send posts at discussion forum. The reason is, I am not available all the time. In my absence, he will send the post with my permission, the only thing is, he will write his name when he will send the post under my user’s ID so that members at Randiland may not be confused. This is due to the reason that Pakistan is a poor country and many of us have limited Internet access.

Your assistant may apply for a separate account for her/himself even they are using your PC and your Internet connection. However deliberate use of an account by more then person is not allowed and persistent misuse will result in sanctions being applied.

If you do not permit then allow my assistant to create another account at Randiland with his own name. In this case that would be of duplicate alias on the same computer, which I am using. Do you allow duplicate alias?

As I stated in my first reply anyone (not previously banned) is allowed to register here and if they meet the few requirements in the registration process (e.g. agree to abide by the rules etc. for the forum, provide their full name and country of origin (and for the USA their State)) their registration will be approved.

The last and most important is, how many users at Randi forum are using duplicate aliases? If husband and wife, daughter and sister are using same computer, what would you call them duplicate alias or separate users. If they are separate then how can you recognize them?

We are concerned only about Memberships to this forum, not someone’s domestic arrangements. If evidence (that is conclusive enough) comes to light that one person is using more then one Membership account or that one Membership account is being deliberately used by more then one person then we take action.

If you allow my assistant to create another account at Randiland by using same computer, then for him is this necessary to disclose his identity as “assistant to Dr. MAS” when he as a separate individual has the right create his own account as separate ID without disclosing the relationship with me. What is your recommendation?

I have no recommendation. Members may use their accounts as they see fit, as long as they do not break their Membership Agreement.

P.S, I request to all other members to stay out side. This mail was addressed to administrator. I am astonished to read that a mail which was purely addressed to administrator on administrative issues other members are protruding their mouth in it and administrator is silent. He should warn them not to pressurize administrator before taking decision.

This is an example of what I said above, i.e. Members may use their accounts as they see fit, as long as they do not break their Membership Agreement.

 

[Dr. MAS]

Thank You Administrator

Thank you administrator, I really appreciate your cooperation. Thanks indeed. You solved my problem.

Dr. MAS

 

[Dr. MAS]

Hi Hydrogen Cyanide

I think, Rolfe is the wife of Zep and Zep is the sister of Hans and Hans is the mother of badly shaved monkey and monkey is hermaphrodite and you are adopted child of them. Is this correct?

Don't take it seriously, just kidding.

Ok Bye

It is over to my assistant.

 

[Rolfe]

The last and most important is, how many users at Randi forum are using duplicate aliases? If husband and wife, daughter and sister are using same computer, what would you call them duplicate alias or separate users. If they are separate then how can you recognize them?

Funnily enough, Mas, this is perfectly easy. People who are honest usually behave in an honest manner. So, we know that Channelise is the wife of Nyarlthotep (I may not have spelled these right!) and Proud Atheist is the wife of Thaiboxerken, and Kitten is the daughter of Kittynh because they say so. They converse in an open and honest manner, it is clear that they are different people, and they occasionally refer to their relationship with the other poster as is normal in general conversation.

Therefore, the admins will have no concern that their IP addresses are identical or whatever, because the reason is obvious.

On the other hand, the creation of sock puppets, where more than one identity is being assumed by a single individual is not permitted. Such people are usually easily identified by the fact that they claim to be completely unconnected with each other, and yet their IP addresses and so on are extremely suspicious. (Not that the admins spend every waking hour checking every IP address - usually suspicions arise for some other reason, such as a new poster appearing to back up someone who is in some difficulty with their argument in a thread, and checks are then made.)

Actually, if you want to see what happened when another homoeopath came here wielding sock puppets, have a read at this thread.

Mas, your assistant is his own person. He is absolutely entitled to become a JREF member in his own right, using your computer, if you allow him to do that. He is under no obligation (as far as we are concerned) to identify himself as your assistant, though I would say that it would be helpful if he did so, in order to facilitate discussion and avoid suspicions of sock-puppetry. He is also under no obligation (again as far as we are concerned) only to post what you permit him to post.

Darat has made this perfectly clear. So, get on and get him to register, already!

Rolfe.

PS. OMG, I just skimmed that thread I linked to (the Olaf/QII affair), and a few pennies came crashing down. Now that we know that "Fluffy" is Hellcat, an awful lot suddenly makes much more sense!