Adios Alberto: The pool... er... poll

[Tricky]

The "no confidence" vote is coming up and though Bush says he is sticking with Gonzales as Attorney general, my money is on him resigning because "he doesn't want to be a distraction" or some such noble reason. But when will it happen? Just after the vote? In a week? Never? Poll says....

 

[Crossbow]

Wow!

I got to be the first to vote and that is a first for me.

 

[davefoc]

A lot of overlapping choices in the poll and none that fit perfectly with my thoughts:

40% chance of resignation before the end of the year
20% chance in 2008
40% chance makes it all the way through

plus there's the chance of death or illness which I didn't factor in.

I voted for resignation before end of year because it came closest to my guess even if I thought the odds were a little less than 50/50 for it to happen.

Still to come:
1. no confidence vote
2. Goodling testimony
3. More digging into DOJ hiring practices
4. More digging into NSA wire tapping stuff
5. More stuff?

 

[Darth Rotor]

The "no confidence" vote is coming up and though Bush says he is sticking with Gonzales as Attorney general, my money is on him resigning because "he doesn't want to be a distraction" or some such noble reason. But when will it happen? Just after the vote? In a week? Never? Poll says....

I said by July 31st. End of 3rd quarter, fiscal year, and in time to divert from something going on in Iraq.

DR

 

[MelBrooksfan]

By the end of the year seems likely.

 

[Skeptic Guy]

He won't last the year. I agree with DR that the end of July is about it...but then again, I'm not Sylvia Browne.

 

[Tricky]

He won't last the year. I agree with DR that the end of July is about it.

I say end of June. I think after the "no confidence" vote, he'll last about a month, just long enought to destroy the rest of the e-mails get his things in order.

...but then again, I'm not Sylvia Browne.

That increases your odds considerably.

 

[Darth Rotor]

I say end of June. I think after the "no confidence" vote, he'll last about a month, just long enought to destroy the rest of the e-mails get his things in order.


That increases your odds considerably.

If Skeptigirl is right in her conspiracy speculation, we can start calling him "Cagey Al." (ref = SG's vote stealing CT on CT forum)

DR

 

[corplinx]

Now that they caved on war funding, Gonzalez is all they have. I predict him gone shortly because the story at this point is self perpetuating. You get those evening news blurbs that start out "renewed calls for Gonzalez to step down" blah blah blah.

 

[Tricky]

Now that they caved on war funding...

Political reality. By claiming that Congress is only sending him bills they know he will veto, Bush makes Congress look like they're the bad guys, depriving our poor boys in Iraq. It's a technique that Bill Clinton used to great effect when he was dealing with a hostile Congress.

Rather than "caving", as you call it, what do you think would have been the right thing to do?

 

[The Painter]

Political reality

Gee, what happened to that last November? What happened to "we will get the US out of Iraq now"? What happened to the "will of the people"? You are all going to fall for it again in the presidental elections too. The Dems duped you. Oh yeah, and the people who told you, you were being fooled were idiots and Bush lovers. They don't look so stupid now.

 

[Tricky]

Gee, what happened to that last November? What happened to "we will get the US out of Iraq now"? What happened to the "will of the people"? You are all going to fall for it again in the presidental elections too. The Dems duped you. Oh yeah, and the people who told you, you were being fooled were idiots and Bush lovers. They don't look so stupid now.

What? You mean that in order to get elected, some politicians made some promises that, even though they tried, they weren't able to keep??!!! I'm shocked. Shocked I tell you.


(BTW, just as a civics lesson for you, the power of the President's veto is capable of overriding the will of the people, temporarily at least. Stupid democracy. )

 

[Darth Rotor]

(BTW, just as a civics lesson for you, the power of the President's veto is capable of overriding the will of the people Congress, temporarily at least. Stupid democracy checks and balances. )

Fixed it for you, since I don't think he'll get it unless explicitly spelled out. Any assertion that Congressional action is an extension of "the will of the people" needs to be treated with skepticism, as the quotient of "theory/practice" is generally less than one.

DR

 

[Tricky]

Fixed it for you, since I don't think he'll get it unless explicitly spelled out. Any assertion that Congressional action is an extension of "the will of the people" needs to be treated with skepticism, as the quotient of "theory/practice" is generally less than one.

That's why I specifically included the word "capable", because it may not always be the case. When the President vetos a bill, it is a pretty good indication that he is overriding the will of the Congress, but that may or may not mean he is overriding "the will of the people", or whatever the latest polls say "the will of the people" is.

But I thank you for the clarification. It is so easy to be innundated by pedantics here.

 

[corplinx]

Political reality. By claiming that Congress is only sending him bills they know he will veto, Bush makes Congress look like they're the bad guys, depriving our poor boys in Iraq. It's a technique that Bill Clinton used to great effect when he was dealing with a hostile Congress.

Rather than "caving", as you call it, what do you think would have been the right thing to do?

I think you're over analyzing this. Politicians are sore losers. Expect more noise and subpoenas is all I'm saying.

 

[The Painter]

even though they tried, they weren't able to keep??!!!

Yeah, they tried real hard. One veto and they give up. You will get the same line of BS from the Dem candidates. Out of Iraq now, and you'll vote for it, and it won't happen........AGAIN

(BTW, just as a civics lesson for you, the power of the President's veto is capable of overriding the will of the people, temporarily at least. Stupid democracy. )

A civic lesson for you, Congress can override a veto.

 

[David Swidler]

But I thank you for the clarification. It is so easy to be innundated by pedantics here.

Well done. Subtle.

 

[Tricky]

Yeah, they tried real hard. One veto and they give up. You will get the same line of BS from the Dem candidates. Out of Iraq now, and you'll vote for it, and it won't happen........AGAIN

They are trying to get something that will pass. I'm guessing they don't want to just beat their head against wall. It's called "compromise", and it is valuable in government sometimes.

A civic lesson for you, Congress can override a veto.

A math lesson for you: Not with a one-vote majority in the Senate, they can't. It takes a two-thirds majority. (Okay, it's a civics lesson for you too.)

 

[davefoc]

Slate dropped their Gonzo meter to 40% today:
http://www.slate.com/id/2166975/fr/flyout

I think the gradual drop in the Slate Gonzo meter represents their gradual acceptance of the apparent fact that regardless of how much evidence there is of lying and attempts to subjugate the DOJ for partisan political purposes Gonzo will hold on if Bushco sees that as in their best personal and political interest.

And right now Bushco has pretty clearly signaled that they think that standing by Gonzales is in their best personal and political interest. I think Bushco is right about that. They have little to gain and much to lose by firing Gonzales. I don't think it has even crossed their mind that they might put aside their personal and political interests and do what is in the best interest of the country.

The unrelenting rejection of good governance in favor of cronyism and corruption by Bushco has never been so clearly demonstrated as by this case, but this case is just one example in a long list that marks this administration as the worst in my life and probably the worst of all time.

 

[Darth Rotor]

That's why I specifically included the word "capable", because it may not always be the case. When the President vetos a bill, it is a pretty good indication that he is overriding the will of the Congress, but that may or may not mean he is overriding "the will of the people", or whatever the latest polls say "the will of the people" is.

But I thank you for the clarification. It is so easy to be innundated by pedantics here.

The internet is for porn, discussion boards/forums are for nitpicking, so I have license to nitpick.

Axioms for fifty, Alex.

(FWIW: the eye being poked wasn't yours, it was they eye of he whom you addressed. )

DR