ACORN filmmaker arrested

BeAChooser said:
http://patterico.com/
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This is balloon juice.
Pimp boy was there to further screw up the phones in some way. Those dirtbags are not technicians. They are criminals, pure and simple. The pimp said he was up to something bigger than ACORN, and we should just take him at his word on that. The only time you can trust a megalomaniac is that when he is bragging about his own intellectual prowess, you can believe that the idiot actually thinks he is bright enough to pull it off.

Patterico is a worthless source. Her has no evidence to suport that his sources are reliable, and appears to be a bit of a nutter himself.
 
leftysergeant said:
This is balloon juice.
Pimp boy was there to further screw up the phones in some way. Those dirtbags are not technicians. They are criminals, pure and simple. The pimp said he was up to something bigger than ACORN, and we should just take him at his word on that. The only time you can trust a megalomaniac is that when he is bragging about his own intellectual prowess, you can believe that the idiot actually thinks he is bright enough to pull it off.

Patterico is a worthless source. Her has no evidence to suport that his sources are reliable, and appears to be a bit of a nutter himself.
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Patterico's sources are all mainstream newspapers (who quote a few anonymous people) and the actual affidavit itself. You didn't even read it, did you?
 
leftysergeant said:
This is balloon juice.
Pimp boy was there to further screw up the phones in some way. Those dirtbags are not technicians. They are criminals, pure and simple. The pimp said he was up to something bigger than ACORN, and we should just take him at his word on that. The only time you can trust a megalomaniac is that when he is bragging about his own intellectual prowess, you can believe that the idiot actually thinks he is bright enough to pull it off.

Patterico is a worthless source. Her has no evidence to suport that his sources are reliable, and appears to be a bit of a nutter himself.
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I don't have a dog in this fight yet, and it is unlikely that I ever will. I agree that Patterico seems to be quite biased, and was dismayed by the general tenor of his piece. I had never read any of his stuff before and had no idea what to expect.

However that article was first introduced in this thread (not by BAC) as a passage to the actual affidavit used to pursue charges against the parties involved, providing us with a less hysterical perspective than that making the rounds on TV.

I cannot describe the affidavit as an "unreliable source". You do yourself and your argument no favors by dismissing it as such.
 
quadraginta said:
I don't have a dog in this fight yet, and it is unlikely that I ever will. I agree that Patterico seems to be quite biased, and was dismayed by the general tenor of his piece. I had never read any of his stuff before and had no idea what to expect.

However that article was first introduced in this thread (not by BAC) as a passage to the actual affidavit used to pursue charges against the parties involved, providing us with a less hysterical perspective than that making the rounds on TV.

I cannot describe the affidavit as an "unreliable source". You do yourself and your argument no favors by dismissing it as such.
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When linked to a blog I usually just skip whatever the blogger said (unless that was the whole point of the link) and just check the links. He had MSNBC, WaPo, the affidavit, etc. I have no idea what lefty's problem is with those sources.
 
quadraginta said:
I cannot describe the affidavit as an "unreliable source". You do yourself and your argument no favors by dismissing it as such.
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His sources are not sourced. Thus, they are balloon juice.

The pimp is dirty, and so is William Flanagan. He had best just resign and go some place out of the way now.

Like the Bahamas.
 
leftysergeant said:
That's the whole point. Breitbart and the maggots are out to stir up mob violence, like all the teabaggers. Gullible people are willing to let dungballs like that destroy innocent people's careers without thinking. They just feel.
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Mr. Pott meet Mr. Kettle.

You incite violence so you are dungball, unless you have a double standard.
 
leftysergeant said:
This is balloon juice.
Pimp boy was there to further screw up the phones in some way. Those dirtbags are not technicians. They are criminals, pure and simple. The pimp said he was up to something bigger than ACORN, and we should just take him at his word on that. The only time you can trust a megalomaniac is that when he is bragging about his own intellectual prowess, you can believe that the idiot actually thinks he is bright enough to pull it off.

Patterico is a worthless source. Her has no evidence to suport that his sources are reliable, and appears to be a bit of a nutter himself.
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Unfortunately for you, your posts are even worse than BAC's.
 
leftysergeant said:
His sources are not sourced. Thus, they are balloon juice.

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I'm puzzled, Lefty. (Not unusual for me.)

You seem to persist in describing the affidavit as an "unreliable source". Are you suggesting that this Petterico dude has bunged up some sort of forgery and linked to a fraudulent document? Is there a "real" affidavit somewhere that you can link us to as an alternative? TIA
 
quadraginta said:
I'm puzzled, Lefty. (Not unusual for me.)

You seem to persist in describing the affidavit as an "unreliable source". Are you suggesting that this Petterico dude has bunged up some sort of forgery and linked to a fraudulent document? Is there a "real" affidavit somewhere that you can link us to as an alternative? TIA
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The FBI affidavit is accurate. It states that they attempted to access the phone closet and admitted it.

There is, however, no affidavit saying that there is no evidence of an attempt to bug the office. The presence of a listening device is evidence to support a theory that that was their intention.

Any statements from an unnamed source are, however, just hot air. And if any of them can be traced back to the Federal Prosecutor's office, they may be summarily hung on that horizontal spindle on the bathroom wall next to the commode.
 
leftysergeant said:
The FBI affidavit is accurate. It states that they attempted to access the phone closet and admitted it.

There is, however, no affidavit saying that there is no evidence of an attempt to bug the office. The presence of a listening device is evidence to support a theory that that was their intention.

Any statements from an unnamed source are, however, just hot air. And if any of them can be traced back to the Federal Prosecutor's office, they may be summarily hung on that horizontal spindle on the bathroom wall next to the commode.
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Well then, you're going to throw out the "presence of a listening device" argument then, right? It's not in the affidavit, it is in fact from an unnamed source and thus from your logic: hot air.
 
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Newtons Bit said:
Well them, you're going to throw out the "presence of a listening device" argument then, right? It's not in the affidavit, it is in fact from an unnamed source and thus from your logic: hot air.
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Whatever.

There remains, however,no exculpatory evidence of any sort that will leave the pimp and his thug buddies eligible for less than ten years and a few hundred thousand clams in fines. They were caught dirty. The pimp announced that he was up to something big.

There just isn't any defense against that sort of thing. There are no exculpatory circumstances.

And his credibility as a witness is somewhat less than zero, given all the lies he has told over the last ten months.
 
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Dancing David said:
Mr. Pott meet Mr. Kettle.

You incite violence so you are dungball, unless you have a double standard.
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No, I do not incite mob violence.

The most violent I get is wishing that the Shrub, Nosferatu, rummy, Gonzo and Yoo should endure what they claim is a valid means of interogating terrorism suspects. They boast of their crimes.

The people that the pimp wants to hurt have not committed any crimes, as far as a rational person can see.
 
leftysergeant said:
Whatever.

There remains, however,no exculpatory evidence of any sort that will leave the pimp and his thug buddies eligible for less than ten years and a few hundred thousand clams in fines. They were caught dirty. The pimp announced that he was up to something big.

There just isn't any defense against that sort of thing. There are no exculpatory ciscumstances.

And his credibility as a witness is somewhat less than zero, given all the lies he has told over the last ten months.
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The government is going to have to prove that their intent was to commit a crime. The defendants don't have to prove their innocence. The government is going to have a hard time doing that unless there's more going on with this than has been revealed so far.
 
Newtons Bit said:
The government is going to have to prove that their intent was to commit a crime. The defendants don't have to prove their innocence. The government is going to have a hard time doing that unless there's more going on with this than has been revealed so far.
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To take a different POV. With all the arrows now in the "Homeland Security" quiver I have to think that having conspired to, and then misrepresented themselves in a secure Federal facility and attempted unauthorized access to communications equipment, that if the Feds can't find something to lock them up for then they aren't trying very hard.

I'm not saying that this is a 'good thing'. Just a fact of our post 9/11 lives.
 
quadraginta said:
To take a different POV. With all the arrows now in the "Homeland Security" quiver I have to think that having conspired to, and then misrepresented themselves in a secure Federal facility and attempted unauthorized access to communications equipment, that if the Feds can't find something to lock them up for then they aren't trying very hard.

I'm not saying that this is a 'good thing'. Just a fact of our post 9/11 lives.
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This very well may be the case. These guys are probably going to have the best team that the Government can put together against them.

If nothing else, they're nicked for entering a federal facility under false pretenses, which is only a misdemeanor. O'Keefe wasn't dressed up and didn't present himself under false pretenses, so maybe he won't get hit with that. Can he be charged with conspiracy to enter a federal facility under false pretenses?
 
Newtons Bit said:
The government is going to have to prove that their intent was to commit a crime. The defendants don't have to prove their innocence. The government is going to have a hard time doing that unless there's more going on with this than has been revealed so far.
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It is a federal felony just to interfere with a phone system.

The fact that one of the maggots is the son of a political enemy of Senator Landrieu is pretty good evidence that he acted with malice toward Landrieu.
 
Newtons Bit said:
If nothing else, they're nicked for entering a federal facility under false pretenses, which is only a misdemeanor.
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Wrong. They entered with the intent to access the phone system.

That's a ten-year felony.

O'Keefe wasn't dressed up and didn't present himself under false pretenses, so maybe he won't get hit with that. Can he be charged with conspiracy to enter a federal facility under false pretenses?
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He can be charged with conspiracy to commit a federal felony.

That he and Dai are long-time associates is a slam-dunk proof that he was conspiring with Dai to do what Dai was doing.
 
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