Abuse of Quantum mechanics

What's all this about abuse of quamtum mechanics?

What's all this about abuse of quantum mechanics? They're just regular people who happen to work at your local quantum repair shop. It's an honorable trade and it takes weeks or even months of training to learn it properly.
It's a small job, but somebody's got to do it.
 
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vbloke said:
I know that M Theory (string theory) is attempting to reconcile the two into one coherent theory, but that's beside the point. If QED only operates at levels below the Planck length , how can it explain crystal healing, psi, predictions, ghosts, etc unless all these phenomena occured at a sub-atomic scale.
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Do you mean Quantum Mechanics, or Quantum Chromo-Electro Dynamics?

And neither, of course, justifies any healing or other nonsense in any way that I am aware has ever been documented, understood, or even suggested seriously.
 
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jj said:
Do you mean Quantum Mechanics, or Quantum Chromo-Electro Dynamics?

And neither, of course, justifies any healing or other nonsense in any way that I am aware has ever been documented, understood, or even suggested seriously.
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I can't say that I have ever heard anyone justify healing or other nonsense. Just sKeptics attacking strawmen as they always do. Name one person who is advocating that QM promotes healing.
 
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Good afternoon.

Jeff Corey said:
What's all this about abuse of quantum mechanics? They're just regular people who happen to work at your local quantum repair shop. It's an honorable trade and it takes weeks or even months of training to learn it properly.
It's a small job, but somebody's got to do it.
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Quantum mechanics use these Diagnostic Dice.

JPK
 
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Interesting Ian said:
I can't say that I have ever heard anyone justify healing or other nonsense. Just sKeptics attacking strawmen as they always do. Name one person who is advocating that QM promotes healing.
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Why don't you ask Vbloke, he's the one who brought it up.
 
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Interesting Ian said:
Read the papers! You can't have done already. If you do not think the famous physicist and quantum mechanics expert Henry Stapp knows what he's talking about, and you can judge this without having read any of the papers, then you're even more idiotic than I thought you were :rolleyes:
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So it all depends on how famous you are, and whether you are a QM expert? O.K. Murray Gell-Mann calls Stapp's theories "flapdoodle". Is Murray Gell Mann famous enough for you? Are you going to argue that he's not an expert in QM?
 
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jj said:
Why don't you ask Vbloke, he's the one who brought it up.
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"Name one person who is advocating that QM promotes healing."

Sounds like he asked the whole thread to me.
 
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Interesting Ian said:
Read the papers! You can't have done already. If you do not think the famous physicist and quantum mechanics expert Henry Stapp knows what he's talking about, and you can judge this without having read any of the papers, then you're even more idiotic than I thought you were :rolleyes:

Read the papers, tell me what you disagree with.
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Ian, could you point to one particular paper? Asking me to read everything someone has ever written is a bit unfair.

I could ask you to read the entire Wikipedia and get back to me on what you don't agree with. That wouldn't yield a productive conversation.
 
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Pragmatist said:
So it all depends on how famous you are, and whether you are a QM expert? O.K. Murray Gell-Mann calls Stapp's theories "flapdoodle". Is Murray Gell Mann famous enough for you? Are you going to argue that he's not an expert in QM?
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Ha Ha. No it does not depend on that. But people on here are always saying you have to be an expert in QM before talking about the metaphysical ramifications of QM.

Now Murray Gell Mann might well call Stapp's theories "flapdoodle". So what? We were asked to provide a link, so I did. I thought that possibly people might find these papers interesting.
 
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Interesting Ian said:
Ha Ha. No it does not depend on that. But people on here are always saying you have to be an expert in QM before talking about the metaphysical ramifications of QM.

Now Murray Gell Mann might well call Stapp's theories "flapdoodle". So what? We were asked to provide a link, so I did. I thought that possibly people might find these papers interesting.
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Ok, so which flapdoodle (pick one) do you want people here to comment on?

Personally, I prefer flapjacks with early-tapped maple syrup.
 
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Interesting Ian said:
Ha Ha. No it does not depend on that. But people on here are always saying you have to be an expert in QM before talking about the metaphysical ramifications of QM.

Now Murray Gell Mann might well call Stapp's theories "flapdoodle". So what? We were asked to provide a link, so I did. I thought that possibly people might find these papers interesting.
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Actually, people on here are always saying that arguments based on ideas purporting to be QM would be much more credible if the person presenting such arguments actually knew something about QM. You can talk as much as you like about the "metaphysical ramifications" of a theory you clearly don't understand, but it hardly makes your arguments credible.

Anyway, my point in trumping your "expert" was simply the old one about the (in)validity of appeals to authority. But I take your point. However, having had a brief look at Stapp's work all I see are unfounded assertions. Stapp asserts that quantum processes are manifestations of "mind" and proceeds blithely on his way redefining everything into his own personal terms. If I redefine Planck's constant to be the action of an invisible pink unicorn does that prove that all processes of the universe depend on invisible pink unicorns?
 
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Interesting Ian said:
Huh?? I was talking about people on here. I was not asking people to search the Internet to find someone who expresses such beliefs! What's the point in that. Skeptics are supposed to be arguing with people on here.
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Oh, O.K. I misunderstood you, my apologies.
 
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Ian, you seem to be ignoring a simple request here. Could you please narrow all of those papers down to one that might be directly relevant?

Or could it be that you haven't read what's on that site yourself? Could it be that you're just putting up a smoke screen because you were cornered? Could it be you were almost forced to have a conversation about the specifics of things you don't seem to understand?
 
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delphi_ote said:
Ian, you seem to be ignoring a simple request here. Could you please narrow all of those papers down to one that might be directly relevant?

Or could it be that you haven't read what's on that site yourself?
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I haven't read any of them, no. Where did I say I had?
 
It is not at all surprising that supporters of the paranorma/supernatural use quantum mechanics to support their case.

IMHO, thay are simply using one bizarre model of our physical world, to explain another.

Quantum mechanics is bizarre, there is no doubt about that. It does not not fit old scientific models of how we perceived matter to behave.

I do not pretend to understand the detail of it all, but I have read about scientific experimentation which suggests that information can travel faster than the speed of light, separated particles can "communicate" that information to each other, and that at least one parallel universe, apparently exists.

They are "having a laugh", aren't they?
 
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