Above conspiring to cover-up?

[Foolmewunz]

No answers? Come on I thought you people had all the answers? Why the benifit of the doubt? Is there any substance in your faith that they are capable of telling the truth?

I did answer. If you can't connect the dots, I cannot be responsible for doing all your research (teaching CE how to read full paragraphs is already enough of a challenge on my addled old brain).

 

[Par]

The questionable track record in no particular order…

PNAC, peak oil, Rebuilding America's Defenses, New Pearl Harbor, “Osama’s is nothing but Clinton wagging the dog”, drunk driven blow snorting Dubya, vacation, AWOL Dubya, Tammy Phillips, Five deferment Cheney, Election Fraud, captured by China spy plane, vacation, missing Pentagon money, My Pet Goat, “Angel is next”, Illegal War, No-Bid contracts, put options, Cheney/KBR, Yellow Cake Uranium, Plame outing, vacation, Libby, Abramoff, Delay, WMD's, AIPAC, Franklin spy scandal, against 9/11 investigation, no post invasion “strategery”, refusal to testify separately under oath, vacation, Feith cooked war intel, Jeff Gannon/Johnny Gosch, vacation, Able Danger, “Fool me once”, Gov Grade Anthrax attacks, Bankruptcy law written by credit card companies, vacation, Guantánamo, vacation, Hijacker Financing?, EPA laws written by coal companies, vacation, “I’m the decider”, Bin Laden-Bush Carlyle Group connection, 9/11 Omission report, plan for UAE based company to guard our ports during a so-called war on terror, vacation, Bin Laden Family allowed to fly, Iraq Oil Missing, Iraq 100 dollar bills missing, Quagmire, CLI, Illegal Wire tapping, Hunting with Cheney, Pat Tillman cover-up, vacation, Katrina, Brownie, Swift boat veterans, Election Fraud again, Patriot Act, Constitution “just a goddamned piece of paper”, Torture, Abu Ghraib, Attorney firings, Libby commuted, surge, Gonzalez, Open borders, vacation, etc., vacation, etc., vacation, etc.

But there is no need for a closer look at 9/11, the events that led up to it or the possibility of a conspiracy to cover-up any aspect of it?

Well, the problem with your argument is that many of your premises are just as controversial as your conclusion were it to have been presented unsupported. Many others are irrelevant. Others still are simply restatements of the conclusion itself and thus beg the question.

Further, anyone could argue for a reinvestigation of absolutely anything they liked using this method. It is simply a list of the actual and merely perceived examples of incompetence and malfeasance of the current administration.

Show me some compelling evidence to suggest that significant aspects of 9/11 were covered-up, however, and I am at your service.

 

[Bell]

The questionable track record in no particular order…

http://watchout4snakes.com/creativitytools/RandomWord/RandomWordPlus.aspx

But there is no need for a closer look at 9/11, the events that led up to it or the possibility of a conspiracy to cover-up any aspect of it?

There, fixed it for you.

 

[ZENSMACK89]

Well, the problem with your argument is that many of your premises are just as controversial as your conclusion were it to have been presented unsupported. Many others are irrelevant. Others still are simply restatements of the conclusion itself and thus beg the question.

Further, anyone could argue for a reinvestigation of absolutely anything they liked using this method. It is simply a list of the actual and merely perceived examples of incompetence and malfeasance of the current administration.

Show me some compelling evidence to suggest that significant aspects of 9/11 were covered-up, however, and I am at your service.

Their questionable track record and the loose ends surrounding the current incomplete at best official versions put forth is the evidence that begs the question...

Why the benefit of the doubt on anything at this point? Is the benefit of the doubt really based on evidence, faith, a hate for toofers, or maybe just an easy way to latch on to something and proclaim your self a critical thinker?

 

[ZENSMACK89]

If anything I listed is merely random to you then you shouldn't bother. You would have to be very in the dark or very dishonest to imply they don't all have a connection.

btw don't be changing my quotes. Just more dishonesty?

 

[Par]

Their questionable track record and the loose ends surrounding the current incomplete at best official versions put forth is the evidence that begs the question... Why the benefit of the doubt on anything at this point? Is the benefit of the doubt really based on evidence, faith, a hate for toofers, or maybe just an easy way to latch on to something and proclaim your self a critical thinker?

Well, much of your post seems to focus on Par, rather than the controversies surrounding 9/11. However, again, if you can be more specific and provide the aforementioned compelling evidence, I’m always interested.

 

[Pardalis]

Charles Bukowski would be jealous of this piece. Such minimalistic poetic flow. Great spill, man. Why don't you go give the poetry boards a try? Who knows, maybe your life might have some menaing.

But a Bukowsky post would be riddled with these "****" though.

 

[CHF]

It takes a certain amount of faith and suspension of disbelief to buy into the official version considering who is peddling it. To believe that certain people are telling the truth and did their job on and leading up to 9/11 and have nothing to hide. Where's that faith come from? That question has been avoided here like the administration has avoided a real investigation into 9/11.

Zen, it all depends on what aspect of 9/11 and the "War on Terror" you're talking about.

Do I have faith that the structural engineers and demolition experts of the world know what they're talking about? Yes I do.

Do I trust everything the government says about 9/11? No.

You truthers have to learn to pick your battles, Zen. For example, there's a lot to talk about with respects to, say, the Saudi connection to 9/11 and Bush's efforts to sweep it under the rug.

Unfortunately, truthers bury such issues under an avalanche of crap about thermite/demolitions/noplanes/missiles/PNAC/NewPearlHarbour/Fake bin Ladens etc.

 

[Good Lt]

No proof of inside job no evidence of inside job No proof of inside job no evidence of inside job No proof of inside job no evidence of inside job No proof of inside job no evidence of inside job No proof of inside job no evidence of inside job No proof of inside job no evidence of inside job No proof of inside job no evidence of inside job No proof of inside job no evidence of inside job No proof of inside job no evidence of inside job No proof of inside job no evidence of inside job No proof of inside job no evidence of inside job No proof of inside job no evidence of inside job .

There - fixed that for you, zensmack.

 

[Myriad]

Zen, what action are you recommending to deal with this situation? I'm a U.S. citizen.

Are you suggesting that I should vote for somebody other than George W. Bush in the next presidential election? (Because, not to give away too much private political information, I was probably going to do that anyhow.)

Do you have more specific voting recommendations than that? Is there a candidate or a party you wish me to support?

Are there products you think I should be boycotting? Investments you want me to avoid, or divest if I'm already bought in?

Do you want me to blow something up, or to kill someone? (Just to be clear: I'm not offering to do so, I'm merely asking if that is something you would want me to do.)

I'm asking this because people like you come here over and over and ask me to believe certain things. "So and so is responsible for such and such, and plans to do this and that in the future, and then won't you be sorry you didn't believe me."

But belief is immaterial unless it motivates action. If the beliefs you want me to adopt mean anything, then I assume that if I believe you but do nothing, you think I will be just as sorry as if I didn't believe you at all. So supposing I believed everything that you claim, what action would you wish of me? What must I do, in order to not regret my inaction in the future?

Please note that "help you spread your belief" doesn't really answer the question. That might indeed be what you most want from me specifically, in the short term, but the question still remains what action you would desire from all of those to whom the belief is ultimately spread. Also, please avoid vague verbs like telling me to "support" something. Tell me the tangible form such "support" should take: voting, donating, boycotting, investing, divesting, bombing, singing, digging, etc.

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Elizabeth I]

Oh, drudgery! Not THAT list again. Do I have to answer one of these every week? Okay, here goes... in the same order as you list them:

Upholstery
Green
Tricycle
Pasteurization
PDQ
Wolverines
Brewery
Lymphatic Tissue
Manicure
Chestnuts
78 RPM
Toner
Pie
Skye Terrier
Serutan ("it's Nature's spelled backwards")
Vanity Fair
Porcelain
Candlestick
Livery Stable
Hula Hoops
Fan Blades
Rain
Phlegm
Currency
Navel Orange
Dentures
Cufflinks
Ypsilanti
Cholesterol Free
Hatrack
Ladder
Jerry Lee Lewis
Sausage Gravy
Radiology
Pocket Fisherman
Huey P. Long
Ticonderoga
Route I-95
Artis Gilmore
Bratwurst
Photosynthesis
Carbon Dating
Pineapple Upsidedown Cake
Pluto No Longer a Planet
Motel 6
Martini Pitcher
Trash Cans
Dreadlocks
Cargo Cults
CN Tower
Teleprompters
Naugahyde
Mittens
Corinthian Leather
Edouard Monpetit


Thank you. Next top-notch argument, please?

[bolding mine] Hey, watch it! Artis played for the Spurs for five seasons. We won't be insulted like this. Porcelain and fan blades, indeed!

 

[Good Lt]

(golf clap)

 

[NYCEMT86]

All I have to say is...


logorrhea

 

[Corsair 115]

That depends on how you look at it.

I suppose that's correct. I just find it interesting why you put more weight on the comments from the start of the process than on the comments from the end of the process.

Do you just hate toofers that much?

You shouldn't do so much assuming, because you'll come out looking pretty darn foolish.

I don't hate the 9/11 CT folks. I do think most of them are rather misguided, and some are quite, well, there's no polite way to say it, dumb. But hate? Nah, I don't hate anyone. Though there are a select number of politicans and celebrities for whom I have a definite distaste.

 

[Par]

Above conspiring to cover-up?”

Incidentally, if this question was really “[Do you believe that the Bush administration are] above conspiring to cover-up?” then my answer is “Probably not, no”.

 

[ktesibios]

The questionable track record in no particular order…

PNAC, peak oil, Rebuilding America's Defenses, New Pearl Harbor, “Osama’s is nothing but Clinton wagging the dog”, drunk driven blow snorting Dubya, vacation, AWOL Dubya, Tammy Phillips, Five deferment Cheney, Election Fraud, captured by China spy plane, vacation, missing Pentagon money, My Pet Goat, “Angel is next”, Illegal War, No-Bid contracts, put options, Cheney/KBR, Yellow Cake Uranium, Plame outing, vacation, Libby, Abramoff, Delay, WMD's, AIPAC, Franklin spy scandal, against 9/11 investigation, no post invasion “strategery”, refusal to testify separately under oath, vacation, Feith cooked war intel, Jeff Gannon/Johnny Gosch, vacation, Able Danger, “Fool me once”, Gov Grade Anthrax attacks, Bankruptcy law written by credit card companies, vacation, Guantánamo, vacation, Hijacker Financing?, EPA laws written by coal companies, vacation, “I’m the decider”, Bin Laden-Bush Carlyle Group connection, 9/11 Omission report, plan for UAE based company to guard our ports during a so-called war on terror, vacation, Bin Laden Family allowed to fly, Iraq Oil Missing, Iraq 100 dollar bills missing, Quagmire, CLI, Illegal Wire tapping, Hunting with Cheney, Pat Tillman cover-up, vacation, Katrina, Brownie, Swift boat veterans, Election Fraud again, Patriot Act, Constitution “just a goddamned piece of paper”, Torture, Abu Ghraib, Attorney firings, Libby commuted, surge, Gonzalez, Open borders, vacation, etc., vacation, etc., vacation, etc.

But there is no need for a closer look at 9/11, the events that led up to it or the possibility of a conspiracy to cover-up any aspect of it?

Great Caesar's ghost! By the light of the burning strawmen I see...

It's the lost verses from Van Lingle Mungo!

 

[332nd]

Lack of a real investigation isn't lack of proof.

Of course it isn't. But lack of proof IS lack of proof.

Why the benifit of the doubt?

Why do you believe I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt? Because I wasn't at the huge protests, marches, and demonstrations by the truth movement to demand another investigation that took place in NYC and DC earlier in the week? How many did you go to?

 

[ZENSMACK89]

Of course it isn't. But lack of proof IS lack of proof.

Exactly why there should be a real investigation that isn't "set-up for failure" and doesn't leave "loose ends that never got tied" .

Why do you believe I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt? Because I wasn't at the huge protests, marches, and demonstrations by the truth movement to demand another investigation that took place in NYC and DC earlier in the week?

Because you seem to think that an underfunded incomplete investigation is better then having to spend money on a real one. Is it consevative politics you can't let go of? Have you declared just about everything but education a waste of money? Let's give them a pass because the alternative is too expensive? That's not proof that's ignorence.

How many did you go to?

None.

 

[Par]

Exactly why there should be a real investigation that isn't "set-up for failure" and doesn't leave "loose ends that never got tied" .

So, you want 9/11 to be investigated until evidence of a conspiracy comes to light? Further, you're making the same dishonest representations again, ZENSMACK89?

While they indeed had sincere reservations about how it was formed, funded and so forth, neither Hamilton nor Keane believe that the 9/11 Commission was ultimately unsuccessful. In fact, the opposite is true. The following is a quotation from their book Without Precedent:

Both of us were aware of grumbling around Washington that the 9/11 Commission was doomed--if not designed--to fail: the commission would splinter down partisan lines; lose its credibility by leaking classified information; be denied the necessary access to do its job; or alienate the 9/11 families who had fought on behalf of its creation. What we could not have anticipated were the remarkable people and circumstances that would coalesce within and around the 9/11 Commission over the coming twenty months to enable our success.

In short, whether or not they believe that the commission was “set up to fail”, they don’t believe that it actually did fail.

[NORAD] gave us inaccurate information. We asked for a lot of material and a lot of documentation. They did not supply it all. They gave us a few things. We sent some staff into their headquarters. We identified a lot more documents and tapes, they eventually gave them to us, we had to issue a subpoena to get them. Eventually they told us we had the story right, they had it wrong, it took a while to get to that point, but we eventually got here.

The “loose end” that never got tied did not concern what actually happened during the attacks. It was the question of whether, during the investigation, NORAD initially gave the commission false information intentionally (to cover their mistakes) or inadvertently. (However, the commission uncovered the correct information in the end.)

 

[JimBenArm]

I called the government up and asked them to do a new investigation. Sorry, no go, man. They said that "Because Zensmack said to" wasn't a good enough reason to do another one. Also, they said they were Animal Control, not Criminal Investigations, but I called them shills for you. Hey, I tried, but man, they still are just covering it all up!

Stupid government!