Above conspiring to cover-up?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Where do you get that faith? What has Michael Chertoff's gut been telling him lately? Is Al Queda regrouped or not? How did that happen in this all very affective war on terror?

How did Hitler pull enough panzers out of his ass for the Ardennes offensive in the middle of the very effective war on naziism when the whermacht was supposedly up against the ropes?

Your ignorance not only covers 9/11 but apparently the overall history of warfare as well. Wars have an ebb and flow to them that results from two or more sides actively doing their best to whack the other guy.

When you're on a battlefield and you've just had your ass handed to you, your first instinct (if you aren't retarded) is going to be to pull back and evade contact with the agressor until you can regroup. That Al-Queada is doing this is not surprising at all.

 

[DGM]

http://www.newsbusters.org/node/6976

Olbermann finishes with this closing statement...

Olbermann: "In all fairness, as we observed last October, and we observe again tonight, we could possibly construct a similar time line of terror events and warnings and their relationship to the opening of new chain stores around the country. But if merely a reasonable case could be made that any of these juxtapositions of events are more than just coincidence, especially the one last week in which terror policy was again injected directly into a political race. It underscores the need for questions to be asked in this country, questions about what is prudence and what is fear-mongering."

Interesting article. It proves your theory how?
Did you read the whole article?

No matter which way the facts are pointing, MSNBC's Keith Olbermann can find a way to entertain an anti-Bush conspiracy theory on his Countdown show when the administration announces a terror alert.

http://www.newsbusters.org/node/6976

 

[firecoins]

Lack of a real investigation isn't lack of proof. Why the benifit of the doubt?

define real investigation. I think the only investigation you will accept will come to the conclusion of an inside job which we have looked at and see zero evidence for. We can't find any evidence of an inside job. Just a bunch of people who say "its obvious" when we clearly see it's obvious that it was not an inside job.

 

[Myriad]

Sorry it took me a couple times to read it all the way through without falling asleep. I'm not trying to get you to believe anything that is an assumption of yours to work out. Though some of them might be debated the history of events listed in the OP are well documented by other sources then me.

I'm asking given their track record where does the faith come from to support their version of events?

Will you be specifically addressing this anytime soon?

Hi Zen,

Concern about your sleep problem distracted me from answering your other question before. (I worked as a technician in a sleep clinic for over a decade, so the subject tends to get my attention. Tell your general practitioner that you have difficulty reading 330 words without falling asleep, and I'm sure you can get a referral to such a clinic. Especially as you appear to exibit several other mental characteristics of chronic sleep deprivation. Don't blow it off. This is a debilitating problem. I repeat: being unable to read two thirds of a page of text without falling asleep "a couple times" is NOT normal, and it is debilitating. Most jobs beyond the most menial labor require the ability to read and concentrate on printed material that might not be the most fascinating subject matter in the world -- budget figures, employee policies, technical manuals, etc. -- far longer than 330 words. So do most educational programs. So, please for your own sake have the tests done to find the problem. There are effective treatments available.)

Now, to answer your question here: no faith is involved so the faith does not need to come from anywhere.

The evidence comes from the Federal investigative agencies, local law enforcement investigations, private investigations conducted by the insurance companies, the U.S. press, the international press, exhibits in criminal trials, investigative articles and peer-reviewed papers by scientists and engineers, and first-hand eyewitness accounts including some presented in these forums.

So, given that you are not trying to get me to believe anything, are we done?

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[ZENSMACK89]

Interesting article. It proves your theory how?
Did you read the whole article?

Yeah I read it. I think his opinion is correct. I don't need anyone to try and tell me he's wrong. I can decide that for myself.

You asked me what makes me think they are stockpiling threats. The same things that make other people think that. I thought Olbermann nailed it. Nothing ever happens with any of it. I hate to think that they are conducting an investigation on some possible terrorists and they jump the gun on moving in on them because they need something to flash in front of the news. But what else am I to think when nothing really comes of it.

I was at Newark Airport that week and they were dumping ladies nail polish in the garbage right next to the security line. Just taking all these possible explosives and mixing them right in a garbage container next to passengers waiting for hours.

Yeah that's real. Yeah right. Just more bull for the track record. Pile it on and when you get around to it you can explain to me why you believe anything they endorse. Remember the OP?

 

[Pardalis]

Remember the OP?

Your OP is unintelligible.

 

[ZENSMACK89]

Hi Zen,

Concern about your sleep problem distracted me from answering your other question before. (I worked as a technician in a sleep clinic for over a decade, so the subject tends to get my attention. Tell your general practitioner that you have difficulty reading 330 words without falling asleep, and I'm sure you can get a referral to such a clinic. Especially as you appear to exibit several other mental characteristics of chronic sleep deprivation. Don't blow it off. This is a debilitating problem. I repeat: being unable to read two thirds of a page of text without falling asleep "a couple times" is NOT normal, and it is debilitating. Most jobs beyond the most menial labor require the ability to read and concentrate on printed material that might not be the most fascinating subject matter in the world -- budget figures, employee policies, technical manuals, etc. -- far longer than 330 words. So do most educational programs. So, please for your own sake have the tests done to find the problem. There are effective treatments available.)

Now, to answer your question here: no faith is involved so the faith does not need to come from anywhere.

The evidence comes from the Federal investigative agencies, local law enforcement investigations, private investigations conducted by the insurance companies, the U.S. press, the international press, exhibits in criminal trials, investigative articles and peer-reviewed papers by scientists and engineers, and first-hand eyewitness accounts including some presented in these forums.

So, given that you are not trying to get me to believe anything, are we done?

Respectfully,
Myriad

Yes and I can find all the same kind of people, agencies, etc. etc. who disagree.

Now given the track record of this administration why do you fall down on their side on a debated topic?

 

[ZENSMACK89]

Your OP is unintelligible.

Maybe for the unintelligent. So why are you bothering?

 

[ZENSMACK89]

define real investigation. I think the only investigation you will accept will come to the conclusion of an inside job which we have looked at and see zero evidence for. We can't find any evidence of an inside job. Just a bunch of people who say "its obvious" when we clearly see it's obvious that it was not an inside job.

Complete.

 

[Par]

Now given the track record of this administration why do you fall down on their side on a debated topic?

Reductio ad Bushum.

 

[ZENSMACK89]

How did Hitler pull enough panzers out of his ass for the Ardennes offensive in the middle of the very effective war on naziism when the whermacht was supposedly up against the ropes?

Your ignorance not only covers 9/11 but apparently the overall history of warfare as well. Wars have an ebb and flow to them that results from two or more sides actively doing their best to whack the other guy.

When you're on a battlefield and you've just had your ass handed to you, your first instinct (if you aren't retarded) is going to be to pull back and evade contact with the agressor until you can regroup. That Al-Queada is doing this is not surprising at all.

Actually it was suggested to me if terrorists were to try and attack today they would be stopped in their tracks.

I asked why doesn't Michael Chertoff's gut think so?

He is the one in charge of these things no?

Another Brownie maybe? Something to add to my OP? I'm mean if people here think they know better then another Dubya appointee.

Can you follow?

 

[ZENSMACK89]

Reductio ad Bushum.

Reductio ad 9/11 Commissium

 

[Par]

Reductio ad 9/11 Commissium

Falsus tu quoque.

 

[beachnut]

The questionable track record in no particular order…

PNAC, peak oil, Rebuilding America's Defenses, New Pearl Harbor, “Osama’s is nothing but Clinton wagging the dog”, drunk driven blow snorting Dubya, vacation, AWOL Dubya, Tammy Phillips, Five deferment Cheney, Election Fraud, captured by China spy plane, vacation, missing Pentagon money, My Pet Goat, “Angel is next”, Illegal War, No-Bid contracts, put options, Cheney/KBR, Yellow Cake Uranium, Plame outing, vacation, Libby, Abramoff, Delay, WMD's, AIPAC, Franklin spy scandal, against 9/11 investigation, no post invasion “strategery”, refusal to testify separately under oath, vacation, Feith cooked war intel, Jeff Gannon/Johnny Gosch, vacation, Able Danger, “Fool me once”, Gov Grade Anthrax attacks, Bankruptcy law written by credit card companies, vacation, Guantánamo, vacation, Hijacker Financing?, EPA laws written by coal companies, vacation, “I’m the decider”, Bin Laden-Bush Carlyle Group connection, 9/11 Omission report, plan for UAE based company to guard our ports during a so-called war on terror, vacation, Bin Laden Family allowed to fly, Iraq Oil Missing, Iraq 100 dollar bills missing, Quagmire, CLI, Illegal Wire tapping, Hunting with Cheney, Pat Tillman cover-up, vacation, Katrina, Brownie, Swift boat veterans, Election Fraud again, Patriot Act, Constitution “just a goddamned piece of paper”, Torture, Abu Ghraib, Attorney firings, Libby commuted, surge, Gonzalez, Open borders, vacation, etc., vacation, etc., vacation, etc.

But there is no need for a closer look at 9/11, the events that led up to it or the possibility of a conspiracy to cover-up any aspect of it?

It has been 6 years and only idiots have not figured out 9/11.

Your list of junk is that. Your biased view of the world in which your fellow 9/11 truth movement minority tin foil hat few are unable to take action, or understand anything about 9/11.

About torture, I would rather be tortured by the US army than spend a single second under arrest and tortured, real torture from Saddam. Great to see him gone, sorry your friend Saddam meet his end. You have fallen for the problem we have in a free society. You must take the information, like torture by the Army, and figure out what it really means. The people who tortured, I call most of that torture humiliation ( I fail to see how the people were really tortured, by big brother did a better job at torture than the Army did), are in jail themselves. You are unable to see many of the problems you think are happening, actually have a different ending. Pat Tillman's death was solved, and your list is full of junk. Like put options, that would leave a trail to the person who did the transactions. You are full of junk ideas on things already solved, but in your mind these things add up to the massive conspiracy you will be pushing well into your fringe movement's twilight.

Your list of junk is noted and proves you to be just another foolish no fact 9/11 truth movement drone. By now, the Pulitzer Prize for uncovering 9/11 would be 4 years old. (Pulitzer Prize for Watergate took only a YEAR or TWO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) You and the 9/11 truth movement have failed to review the evil doers of 9/11 because the primaries are dead and the leaders are on the run.

The sad thing is the guys behind 9/11 are waiting, and even if it takes 20 years they will be back to stick it to you and me as you blame the MIB, and I watch for their next hit. Your fantasy MIB will never be, you better wake up and pay attention, if you fall for 9/11 truth, you will be an easy hit for all sorts of fraud.

 

[ZENSMACK89]

It has been 6 years and only idiots have not figured out 9/11.

Your list of junk is that. Your biased view of the world in which your fellow 9/11 truth movement minority tin foil hat few are unable to take action, or understand anything about 9/11.

About torture, I would rather be tortured by the US army than spend a single second under arrest and tortured, real torture from Saddam. Great to see him gone, sorry your friend Saddam meet his end. You have fallen for the problem we have in a free society. You must take the information, like torture by the Army, and figure out what it really means. The people who tortured, I call most of that torture humiliation ( I fail to see how the people were really tortured, by big brother did a better job at torture than the Army did), are in jail themselves. You are unable to see many of the problems you think are happening, actually have a different ending. Pat Tillman's death was solved, and your list is full of junk. Like put options, that would leave a trail to the person who did the transactions. You are full of junk ideas on things already solved, but in your mind these things add up to the massive conspiracy you will be pushing well into your fringe movement's twilight.

Your list of junk is noted and proves you to be just another foolish no fact 9/11 truth movement drone. By now, the Pulitzer Prize for uncovering 9/11 would be 4 years old. (Pulitzer Prize for Watergate took only a YEAR or TWO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) You and the 9/11 truth movement have failed to review the evil doers of 9/11 because the primaries are dead and the leaders are on the run.

The sad thing is the guys behind 9/11 are waiting, and even if it takes 20 years they will be back to stick it to you and me as you blame the MIB, and I watch for their next hit. Your fantasy MIB will never be, you better wake up and pay attention, if you fall for 9/11 truth, you will be an easy hit for all sorts of fraud.

Hey Beach! Where you been? I so miss you and your sunshine happy replies. I always read one of your inspiring posts first thing in the morning to start my merry day. I was afraid I might run out. Thanks for not letting me down.

Now are you saying you actually believe the Bush administration on other things in addition to 9/11?

Wow how many of your breed are left?

 

[ZENSMACK89]

Falsus tu quoque.

saysus youue

 

[Myriad]

Yes and I can find all the same kind of people, agencies, etc. etc. who disagree.

Really? There's an agency just like the FBI that disagrees? One just like the Red Cross? There's another agency just like the U.S. Department of Justice that disagrees? Airlines and insurance companies that disagree? Engineering, construction, and demolition firms? Police and fire departments? University engineering departments? Genetic forensic labs? Private security consultants?

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/listofresponders&investigators

Your list of the usual couple dozen professional disagreers is not comparable. You're free to disagree but you'll need evidence if you want to convince anyone else. (But wait, you said you don't want to convince anyone of anything, so keep on going as you are.)

Now given the track record of this administration why do you fall down on their side on a debated topic?

Because they came to the same conclusions I did. I can't stop them from doing that.

Respectfully,
Myriad

ETA: I could, I suppose, change my conclusions to make sure I don't agree with them on anything. But I prefer to think for myself, rather than let them control my conclusions that way (as you seem to be doing).

 

[Alareth]

Now are you saying you actually believe the Bush administration on other things in addition to 9/11?

Wow how many of your breed are left?

ZENSMACK89, I want you to understand something. I'm relatively sure that everyone here on this forums understands that governments tell lies.

I'll repeat it just so you can be sure your eyes did not deceive you in that last sentence. Governments tell lies.

That is a universal truth.

That fact however does not mean that governments are inherently sinister and evil. Lies are told for various reasons. In a free society such as we have in the United States the purpose of government is to maintain order and to protect the citizens. Sometimes to do so requires lies and secrets.

The ethics and morality of such practices are up to debate, but this thread is not the place for such weighty discussions.

Yes, the Bush administration has told us lies. So did the Clinton adminsitration. As did the Bush Sr. administration. As did the Regan administration. As did the Carter administration. As did the ... Are we seeing a pattern here?

ALL GOVERMENTS LIE TO THEIR PEOPLE. I defy you to give an example of a government that never lied to the people under them.

That being said, because governments tell lies does not mean that everything a government says is a lie.

Do not paint everyone that disagrees with your opinions as Bush loving government loyalist shills. We aren't. If you expand beyond the narrow focus of this subforum you might see that the people here are an assortment of individuals with wide ranging beliefs and interests. You would also see that many of us are not fans of George W.

I personally feel that Bush ranks as one of the worst Presidents we've ever had. The state of affairs within our Federal Government is to my eyes, a shambles. If the two of us sat down face to face, there may be a great many things we might see eye to eye on. I will not let my anti-Bush bias interfere with my critical thinking skills when it comes to things such as analyzing the evidence of what happened on that horrible September day 6 years ago.

Bush may be a horrible President, but you know what? He's not the first "bad" President we've had. Well get through this and move on just like we've done before.

It's ok to have doubts and dislikes about the government and those that run it, just don't let that cloud your judgement in all areas of life.

 

[DGM]

Yeah I read it. I think his opinion is correct. I don't need anyone to try and tell me he's wrong. I can decide that for myself.

You asked me what makes me think they are stockpiling threats. The same things that make other people think that. I thought Olbermann nailed it. Nothing ever happens with any of it. I hate to think that they are conducting an investigation on some possible terrorists and they jump the gun on moving in on them because they need something to flash in front of the news. But what else am I to think when nothing really comes of it.

I was at Newark Airport that week and they were dumping ladies nail polish in the garbage right next to the security line. Just taking all these possible explosives and mixing them right in a garbage container next to passengers waiting for hours.

Yeah that's real. Yeah right. Just more bull for the track record. Pile it on and when you get around to it you can explain to me why you believe anything they endorse. Remember the OP?

You know your right. Let's go back to the airport security we had before 9/11. It's all unnecessary right. All false flag in order to inconvenience us or hide some other story.
Should we still take our shoes off or was Reid a false flag also?

As far as believing the story, I don't need the government to tell me no explosives were used at the WTC site. I know 3 people that were there involved in the clean-up that can vouch for that. I see and evaluate the evidence myself, so far the "truthers" smoking guns are shooting blanks.

 

[Par]

saysus youue

This is the second time that I’ve had to ask you not to be childish. You committed a number of fallacies and getting upset with me isn’t going to change that; I’m just the messenger. It’s thoroughly irrational to become angry with people simply because they tell you things that you don’t wish to hear, yet you do so time and again.