Abortion? The final conclusions?

[AWPrime]

So do many mentally retarded people or brain dead people. That doesn't make them any less people.

Actually brain dead humans aren't people and we don't give mentally retarded people the same rights as normal mature humans.

Me and logic. If it is in the body then it is part of it.

I don't see how that follows.

Then I can't help you, it doesn't get any simpler.

That's if you define "Murder" to include killing insects. Right now it isn't. Only defined as killing "people" and my argument is viable babies are people.

For to be people you need persons and being a person is more than some DNA.

I don't follow what you're saying here.

That finger doesn't need you specificly it can be supported by technological means. But left out in the open it will die as will a baby in the same situation.

 

[Luke T.]

That's a chilling post. The problems in our adoption system are indeed a contributor to the general malaise.

The charge that some bleeding hearts promote the vicious cycle you describe in your early paragraphs, so that they can ensure a dependent class of prols, sometimes rings true.

DR

And so you are in favor of more abortions than the current level?

 

[Francesca R]

what is really being said is that children who are concieved out of stupidity deserve to be born and raised by irresponsible people. I dont think that children deserve these kinds of situations

The alternative is not being born. Do you imply that they are better off unborn? How many examples of a child born to an unloving, uncaring, abusive parent, yet maturing to enjoy life and contribute positively to society, do we need in order to debunk that? Or is it based on the notion of averaging the lives of such children?

they do not ask to be born.

If it had been possible to query me about this, I would like to think I would have said "I want to be born! Even if my mother is a drug-addicted prostitute who will abandon me on a doorstep." What do you think you would have asked for?

Children deserve to grow up wanted and cared for, and adoption does NOT ensure that.

Again—so the implication is they are better off unborn?

There are far too many children out there being hurt because of something they had no part in, and we all know that these situations are not exclusive to teen motherhood. Seeing that much wrong going on twards children does something to you, especially when there are so many people working very hard to help those women fix their lives and it makes no difference.

It doesn't make me argue that it is in the children's interest to stay unborn which is what I understand you to be doing (Correct me if I am wrong). That could only be in the interests of others IMO.

If abortion is murder, its a mercy killing.

They don't ask to be "mercy-killed".

 

[Jocko]

If abortion is murder, its a mercy killing.

Boy, I don't know where conservatives get off framing abortion as a slippery slope issue. *cough*euthenasia*cough*

 

[Darth Rotor]

And so you are in favor of more abortions than the current level?

No, I am with you in advocating a heck of a lot better practice in contraception among those who don't want their recreational sex to produce children. An ounce of prevention is better than a ton of cure. I'd also like to see a more flexible and responsive adoption system.

DR

 

[thaiboxerken]

Always should be allowed. A fetus is not an individual being and is more akin to being a parasite than a person.

 

[Colorama]

Pro-choice 'till the end. I have seen the results of too many pregnancies by desperate girls and women ...

 

[Luke T.]

No, I am with you in advocating a heck of a lot better practice in contraception among those who don't want their recreational sex to produce children. An ounce of prevention is better than a ton of cure. I'd also like to see a more flexible and responsive adoption system.

DR

Yeah. To adopt a kid can take years. That is ridiculous.

I would like to see more focus put on birth control. I think with the exception of a fringe element, most Americans would support a movement for more birth control education.

Teen pregnancies and "abstinence only education" is only a small piece of the abortion picture, too. Talking about sex ed for kids can get really sticky, and it does not address the overwhelming number of adults who get abortions, and who are not using birth control.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Abortion is birth control. I don't see a problem here.

 

[steverino]

Always should be allowed. A fetus is not an individual being and is more akin to being a parasite than a person.

Gee wizz. And I thought abortion was a complicated issue. Thank you for your clarification. Now I get it.

 

[King of the Americas]

Jocko,

There have been bums WAY before the modern day welfare system. And they would continue to exist, even if this present welfare system fails.

Do you really believe that it is impossible to eek out an exitance without aid for the federal government??? Dude you are seriously off your rocker, if you are comparing 'absoute dependence' to the 'partial aid' given to welfare recipiants...

Your point sucks, man. It is by far THE weakest point I have ever heard you blather.

Put it behind you and move on...

And answer my question!

What criteria should be used in deciding when or if a fetus is to be aborted.

Dance all you like, but your ignorance is showing again.

 

[Pardalis]

Always should be allowed. A fetus is not an individual being and is more akin to being a parasite than a person.

That just gave me chills down my spine.

 

[steverino]

That just gave me chills down my spine.

ME TOO!! Dang, thaiboxer. What happened to you? Did a fetus bully you in junior high school?

 

[thaiboxerken]

Gee wizz. And I thought abortion was a complicated issue. Thank you for your clarification. Now I get it.

It was never a complicated issue.

 

[steverino]

It (abortion) was never a complicated issue.

"Always should be allowed. A fetus is not an individual being and is more akin to being a parasite than a person."-thaiboxerken


Photo (Sharon Tate and "fetus," 8.5 months)

 

[AWPrime]

And?

 

[bob_kark]

A fetus is not an individual being and is more akin to being a parasite than a person.

Ok, I have to see you prove this one. How is a fetus not an individual being? Even a parasite is an individual being.

 

[steverino]

And?

And...It's complicated, it's complicated. What is life? When is life? Who are we to say? The goal line keeps moving. When I was a kid in the early '70's, abortion was "OK" up until this month and that month as a fetus could not live on its own. Now a fetus can practically drive a car. Now a fetus can have a womb with a view. It's complicated.

 

[AWPrime]

And...It's complicated, it's complicated. [snip]

And not making any sense.

 

[thaiboxerken]

If we define an individual being as a sentient person who can live without a host body, then the fetus is not an individual being.

It's still not a complicated issue. A fetus is not an individual being.