Abortion Referendum

[catsmate]

Brexit should see to that!

Maybe the DUP will support a wall?

 

[catsmate]

As an accountant I am used to simplifying figures so that the layperson can immediately grasp the concept I am trying to convey to them.

There is not much difference between 0.20 and 0.25. People understand 'a quarter of a million' readily but could struggle to envisage 'a fifth of a million'.

 

[autumn1971]

A couple of points:
If abortion is used as an easy means of contraception, then so be it. better that than the woman concerned having the baby with the attendant responsibilities, complications, expenses, etc etc.
And abortion should be allowed and legal, full stop; not after the woman having to find and face all sorts of medical reasons and laws for or against.

QFT.
Legal, safe, available de facto instead of only technically de jure, and no one's ************* business except the woman choosing it.

 

[The Don]

As an accountant I am used to simplifying figures so that the layperson can immediately grasp the concept I am trying to convey to them.

There is not much difference between 0.20 and 0.25. People understand 'a quarter of a million' readily but could struggle to envisage 'a fifth of a million'.

I'm glad my accountants aren't like you. I think Inland Revenue or Customs and Excise would be pretty unimpressed if they rounded up £187k of costs to a cool quarter mil when it came round to how much tax and VAT we had paid.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Yes it does. So when my father in law was going trough terminal cancer, he had the choice to die with his faculties intact and before major pain was occuring.
In your 'christian ethics' he would have died two to three months later as a vegetable in a hospital after going trough intense amount of dehumanizing pain.

Of course is there anything more christian than the promotion of suffering? It fits perfectly with Saint Mother Teresa after all. At least as long as she wasn't the one doing the suffering.

 

[ponderingturtle]

As an accountant I am used to simplifying figures so that the layperson can immediately grasp the concept I am trying to convey to them.

There is not much difference between 0.20 and 0.25. People understand 'a quarter of a million' readily but could struggle to envisage 'a fifth of a million'.

Of course that is overstating the real number by 50% but hey lying for jesus is the number 1 way to fight abortion. Bearing false witness is not a big deal to christians.

 

[catsmate]

I'm glad my accountants aren't like you. I think Inland Revenue or Customs and Excise would be pretty unimpressed if they rounded up £187k of costs to a cool quarter mil when it came round to how much tax and VAT we had paid.

 

[Vixen]

I'm glad my accountants aren't like you. I think Inland Revenue or Customs and Excise would be pretty unimpressed if they rounded up £187k of costs to a cool quarter mil when it came round to how much tax and VAT we had paid.

Even HMRC want rounded figures. They don't want the pence.

As the tax inspectors are usually fellow accountants of course they would get the exact figure from me.

On a chat forum, it's enough to talk in common phrases. Such as, 'a couple of hundred grand, 'half a million, 'quarter of a million' - people immediately grasp it.

 

[Vixen]

Of course that is overstating the real number by 50% but hey lying for jesus is the number 1 way to fight abortion. Bearing false witness is not a big deal to christians.

The difference between 20% and 25% is 5%.

 

[erwinl]

Even HMRC want rounded figures. They don't want the pence.

As the tax inspectors are usually fellow accountants of course they would get the exact figure from me.

On a chat forum, it's enough to talk in common phrases. Such as, 'a couple of hundred grand, 'half a million, 'quarter of a million' - people immediately grasp it.

Do you think people here don't understand the concept of 182K?

 

[erwinl]

The difference between 20% and 25% is 5%.

As we are trying to be correct.
You were overstating by 37,4%. Which in your example you can round to be overstating by 50%.

 

[The Don]

Even HMRC want rounded figures. They don't want the pence.

As the tax inspectors are usually fellow accountants of course they would get the exact figure from me.

On a chat forum, it's enough to talk in common phrases. Such as, 'a couple of hundred grand, 'half a million, 'quarter of a million' - people immediately grasp it.

Rounding the pence on a large sum is hardly the same as overstating by close to 40%.

 

[ponderingturtle]

The difference between 20% and 25% is 5%.

The difference between 250K is 137% of 182K. So I rounded 137 to 150 because everyone loves round numbers.

 

[Giordano]

The difference between 20% and 25% is 5%.

Tut tut tut! Tsk, tsk, tsk!

Your attempt to exaggerate by rounding up 182,000 to 250,000 was embarrassingly transparent enough. Your "explanation" that somehow people could comprehend a quarter of a million but not a fifth of a million made it worse; presenting an insulting view of our intelligence if you expected us to believe you, or of peoples' intelligence as a whole if you yourself believed it.

It would have been best to leave it there. But here you are making a claim that represents a yet more deliberate, and even more feeble, departure from mathematical reality. The difference between 200,000 and 250,000 is 50,000, or 25% of the first number. The 250,000 you manufactured is 37.4% higher than the actual number, 182,000. I'll even round that down for you for your ease of comprehension: you made up a number more than a third larger than the actual number.

25% is 20% plus 5%. But a quarter of a million is 25% higher than is a fifth of a million.

Why bother to exaggerate at all, let alone continue to call attention to it by trying to defend it? Do you really think it strengthens your argument by 37.4%?

 

[Giordano]

Rounding the pence on a large sum is hardly the same as overstating by close to 40%.

Using the simplified math Vixen created for an arithmetically challenged public, we need to round that up to 50%! Or maybe 60%- I am not sure, having learned a different math in my school.

 

[The Don]

Using the simplified math Vixen created for an arithmetically challenged public, we need to round that up to 50%! Or maybe 60%- I am not sure, having learned a different math in my school.

I think our problem is that we only did maths at school (or in my case also at university where I was thoroughly befuddled by most of the maths associated with gaining a physics degree). Accountancy maths for the arithmetically challenged public is entirely different as you point out and as the experience of Enron shareholders testifies.....

 

[P.J. Denyer]

As we are trying to be correct.
You were overstating by 37,4%. Which in your example you can round to be overstating by 50%.

Well played, Sir. Well played indeed.

 

[Thor 2]

Now we have the maths problem sorted , I would like to ask Vixen if he/she has an opinion regarding the moment the separate life in the woman body, becomes a person and should be given equal right to life as the mother?

Just as a prompt here 3 days after conception the life is called a blastocyst and is composed of about 150 cells typically. To get this into perspective the brain of a fly has about 1000 cells. To help you with the maths the blastocyst is 15% the size of a fly's brain.

 

[Vixen]

Tut tut tut! Tsk, tsk, tsk!

Your attempt to exaggerate by rounding up 182,000 to 250,000 was embarrassingly transparent enough. Your "explanation" that somehow people could comprehend a quarter of a million but not a fifth of a million made it worse; presenting an insulting view of our intelligence if you expected us to believe you, or of peoples' intelligence as a whole if you yourself believed it.

It would have been best to leave it there. But here you are making a claim that represents a yet more deliberate, and even more feeble, departure from mathematical reality. The difference between 200,000 and 250,000 is 50,000, or 25% of the first number. The 250,000 you manufactured is 37.4% higher than the actual number, 182,000. I'll even round that down for you for your ease of comprehension: you made up a number more than a third larger than the actual number.

25% is 20% plus 5%. But a quarter of a million is 25% higher than is a fifth of a million.

Why bother to exaggerate at all, let alone continue to call attention to it by trying to defend it? Do you really think it strengthens your argument by 37.4%?

Hello? It was me who gave you the figure of 182K in the first place.

I then described the abortion rate in the UK as nearly a quarter of a million.

Some clever dick said it was 'nearer one-fifth of a million'. I explained that that is not a ready figure of speech for most people. He said there was a big difference between one fifth and one quarter and I merely pointed out there was not.

If I take £20 and divide it amongst five, you each get £4. Amongst four £5.

Does that put it into perspective for you?

Did you fail to see the figure I quoted, of 182K?

So, what is the problem?

 

[Vixen]

Now we have the maths problem sorted , I would like to ask Vixen if he/she has an opinion regarding the moment the separate life in the woman body, becomes a person and should be given equal right to life as the mother?

Just as a prompt here 3 days after conception the life is called a blastocyst and is composed of about 150 cells typically. To get this into perspective the brain of a fly has about 1000 cells. To help you with the maths the blastocyst is 15% the size of a fly's brain.

It doesn't really matter what it's called does it?