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Abortion Referendum

Thor 2 said:
Yes that post was a doozy wasn't it?

The infidelity of gay guys, (800+ lovers per year? That's more than 2 a day :jaw-dropp), then fall of the Roman empire, (Roman men bonking boys). What is to become of Ireland in the light of all this history?:boggled:
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How many gay men need abortions anyway?
 
JesseCuster said:
My cousin got pregnant in the 1990s. She was married and was planning a family. However, the foetus had a medical condition (can't remember the details, it's not important) which meant that if it survived to full term, it would be born and would die within hours. There was 0% chance of the baby being viable.

Legally there was nothing she could do to terminate the pregnancy. She could have regular scans to see if the foetus was still alive and could have had it removed if it was dead, but the foetus survived full term. For some reason (don't know her personal situation, doesn't really matter) she chose not to travel abroad to have an abortion but instead carried the foetus to term, and it died almost immediately, as expected.
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Hell in the US doctors can lie to their patients in exactly that situation so that they fool them into thinking their baby has a chance. Hopefully all those births happen on april 1st, because that is the best practical joke ever!
 
Vixen said:
As I understand it, the Netherlands (or was it Belgium?) also has euthanasia centres where people can go to 'die with dignity'.

The statistics for the UK says there were 182K abortions last year (nearly a quarter of a million!) of which two were of women who had had eight previous abortions. These can't all be 'rape victims' or 'women forced to carry babies with severe congenital conditions'.


There is a silent holocaust going on here.
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Fine we will kill those 2 women for you.
 
Vixen said:
Oh well, as long as all the foetuses being disposed of are of the lower unwashed masses, who would be a burden on the welfare state, anyway, we needn't give it any further thought. Unless, of course, there'll be a shortage of labour to take care of the future ageing population or governments need some cannon fodder should we go to war again.
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Do you ever get tired of spewing straw?
 
FYI the Provisional Referendum Certificate has been issued by Barry Ryan (the Referendum Returning Officer) stating that:
A majority of the votes recorded at the referendum was recorded in favour of the proposal​
He now awaits information from Master of the High Court either that no referendum petition has been presented or that every such petition has been judged void.
No doubt someone will claim that the referendum decision is "against the will of God" (again).

It has also been agreed that the Dáil's summer recess will be reduced to allow for abortion legislation to be passed in a timely manner.
 
Vixen said:
As I understand it, the Netherlands (or was it Belgium?) also has euthanasia centres where people can go to 'die with dignity'.

The statistics for the UK says there were 182K abortions last year (nearly a quarter of a million!) of which two were of women who had had eight previous abortions. These can't all be 'rape victims' or 'women forced to carry babies with severe congenital conditions'.


There is a silent holocaust going on here.
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Which of those women do you think would be the better parent?
 
Vixen said:
If people are brought up to behave properly, then they shouldn't find themselves in that mess in the first place.
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Who determines "properly"? Your holey babble? The one that promotes rape and incest as morally acceptable? That risible tome?

Vixen said:
So the doctors who have made the Hippocratic Oath to do their all to save people's lives, are now being forced to do something horrible, that has little to do with a medical reason.
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And now you are lying.
 
In a move so redolent of schadenfreude that everyone is highly impressed by his ability to maintain a straight face, taoiseach Varadkar has said that he sees no barrier to women from Norn Iron coming South for terminations.
:D
 
Vixen said:
As I understand it, the Netherlands (or was it Belgium?) also has euthanasia centres where people can go to 'die with dignity'.

The statistics for the UK says there were 182K abortions last year (nearly a quarter of a million!) of which two were of women who had had eight previous abortions. These can't all be 'rape victims' or 'women forced to carry babies with severe congenital conditions'.


There is a silent holocaust going on here.
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Yes it does. So when my father in law was going trough terminal cancer, he had the choice to die with his faculties intact and before major pain was occuring.
In your 'christian ethics' he would have died two to three months later as a vegetable in a hospital after going trough intense amount of dehumanizing pain.

Yes, being there was terrible, but still the best way to go.

In the same way, I find your 'holocaust' far better than 182K childred brought up in a family that clearly did not want them, nor was prepared for them.
As others have mentioned, if you have someone who is willing to have that many abortions, what type of parent do you think they would have been?

Because I never see the anti-choicers donate all their excess money to child welfare, nor adopt all those children they claim should be born. If you find it so horrible, why not go to abortion clinics and offer to adopt?
 
catsmate said:
In a move so redolent of schadenfreude that everyone is highly impressed by his ability to maintain a straight face, taoiseach Varadkar has said that he sees no barrier to women from Norn Iron coming South for terminations.
:D
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Brexit should see to that!
 
Vixen said:
As I understand it, the Netherlands (or was it Belgium?) also has euthanasia centres where people can go to 'die with dignity'.

The statistics for the UK says there were 182K abortions last year (nearly a quarter of a million!) of which two were of women who had had eight previous abortions. These can't all be 'rape victims' or 'women forced to carry babies with severe congenital conditions'.


There is a silent holocaust going on here.
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Less than a fifth of a million. Do you find maths challenging also?
 
fuelair said:
I am quite certain L. no more despises children than I do - and the people who have known me for a short or long period are quite sure that I love children and they know that children respond well to that and to me. Yes we support abortion but we do not hate children - and the children I meet know that, their parents know that and I have received a lot of first smiles (outside of family) from children. They are also very safe around me.
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Two today at a Dollar Tree.................
 
Thor 2 said:
Less than a fifth of a million. Do you find maths challenging also?
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As an accountant I am used to simplifying figures so that the layperson can immediately grasp the concept I am trying to convey to them.

There is not much difference between 0.20 and 0.25. People understand 'a quarter of a million' readily but could struggle to envisage 'a fifth of a million'.
 
A couple of points:
If abortion is used as an easy means of contraception, then so be it. better that than the woman concerned having the baby with the attendant responsibilities, complications, expenses, etc etc.
And abortion should be allowed and legal, full stop; not after the woman having to find and face all sorts of medical reasons and laws for or against.
 
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