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Abortion Referendum

aleCcowaN said:
...with the magical figure of 12, 13 or 14 weeks being the boundary between murder and nothing

That comes to show the arbitrariness in everything that is ... arbitrary.

I wonder how come the law commits better with those ones who quickly want to wash their hands of pregnancy than with those responsible parents who come to learn at weak 13 their unborn child suffers Patau's.
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Take a look at the anti-loon posters. A vote to repeal is a vote to abort 6 month old fetuses? Really? It is in crankistan, maybe. Elsewhere, in reality, it isn't.

I get google and facebook pulling advertising, it is an expression of extremism. Religiously motivated extremism. The reality is very different. Nobody is proposing abortion at six months. To suggest so is to engage in a slippery slope fallacy.

In fact, the "anti" crew has been taken to task for their posters outside a maternity hospital. There are women in there recovering from all manner of spontaneous abortion, medical intervention, miscarriages and so forth. The last thing they want to see are scans of anything of that style of kidney. At six frakkin' months!!! The lying *****.

On top of that, it turns out that the Iona Institute cranks are funded from abroad (Read Vatican).

All of this simply reveals the christian hypocrisy.

As a man, I am sowing my wild oats and that is allowed. Were a woman to do so, she is a slut and deserves to die.

That is how hollow christianity really is.
 
dudalb said:
And I would love to hear theatheist definition of a theocracy.

Ireland today is not the Ireland of 50 years ago. The RC Church has lost most of it's power.And the Republic never was a theocracy in the general meaning of the term anyway.
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No kidding. First country to ratify SSM by popular vote.
 
abaddon said:
Take a look at the anti-loon posters. A vote to repeal is a vote to abort 6 month old fetuses? Really? It is in crankistan, maybe. Elsewhere, in reality, it isn't.
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The same regurgitated lies as before,]

abaddon said:
I get google and facebook pulling advertising, it is an expression of extremism. Religiously motivated extremism. The reality is very different. Nobody is proposing abortion at six months. To suggest so is to engage in a slippery slope fallacy.
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Well if you've lost the rational argument then you need something to inspire the plebs to vote as they're told.

abaddon said:
In fact, the "anti" crew has been taken to task for their posters outside a maternity hospital. There are women in there recovering from all manner of spontaneous abortion, medical intervention, miscarriages and so forth. The last thing they want to see are scans of anything of that style of kidney. At six frakkin' months!!! The lying *****.
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Meh, do you actually expect them to care about women?
They're the same scum who still spread the abortion causes cancer lie.

abaddon said:
On top of that, it turns out that the Iona Institute cranks are funded from abroad (Read Vatican).
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That is not a surprise.
 
My mother has always been a strong support of abortion, especially postnatal abortion.

Slightly more serious: I'd love to see abortion viewed as just one of those inconvenient things you have to occasionally do, sort of like say having wart removed in your GPs surgery. Having a kid should be a major positive decision not the default position.
 
aleCcowaN said:
No. If you like, have an abortion in a private institution, paid by the aborter or by charities you probably will contribute to
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If none of these are available, and, if one is relying on the kindness of strangers, that's a distinct possibility, then there's a chance that one can end up with a baby one doesn't want.

With your method the plain unlucky are screwed for the rest of their lives.

I suspect the cost of the termination is going to be less than the cost of 16 years child support (I'm assuming Ireland has this, my apologies to the emerald isle if I'm wrong) added to the aggregated social costs created by unwanted children born to unfit mothers.



-good for you!- and decriminalized so higher standards can be held and women can go quick and freely to the hospital the moment something goes wrong. It should be payable using a credit card too. It should also be payable in comfortable instalments (Have an induced miscarriage now and pay for it in 18 affordable monthly instalments at 0% interest!!!)
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No, it should be paid for by taxes because:

Ultimately that's cheaper than dealing with all the costs (financial and otherwise) of unwanted children born to unfit mothers.

Poor people have sex and removing all chance from the social consequences of this is a much, much smarter thing to do than to cave to those who have been ********** up by religion.

If you don't agree with it, doin't have one yourself, but don't **** up other people's lives just because you think your morality is superior to theirs.
 
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Darat said:
Slightly more serious: I'd love to see abortion viewed as just one of those inconvenient things you have to occasionally do, sort of like say having wart removed in your GPs surgery. Having a kid should be a major positive decision not the default position.
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I've never denied that my opinions about abortion (or to be more accurate the abortion debate) are... complicated.

But in no context can I conceptualize of a person not wanting to have a child being forced/coerced into having it ever having a net positive outcome.
 
3point14 said:
Yes and yes.

Not sure of the point..?
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And apart from the confusion, there was also a subtle point in listing the three British home countries in which the NHS covers abortion - for residents only. ;)
 
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3point14 said:
If none of these are available, and, if one is relying on the kindness of strangers, that's a distinct possibility, then there's a chance that one can end up with a baby one doesn't want.
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Because I care so much of them ... and what happened with the old fashioned giving into adoption? Five months ago you just wanted to kill them, now you don't want to give them away to loving parents?

I got the feeling most participants in this thread are parenting cats, dogs, canaries or parrots.
 
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aleCcowaN said:
.......I got the feeling most participants in this thread are parenting cats, dogs, canaries or parrots.
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.......and I've got the feeling that most participants in this thread are men.
 
I’m an Irish citizen but not voting in this because I’ve been out of the country for a very long time. If I were to vote, though, it would in favour of Repeal.

This whole debate has been very much like Brexit in that it has revealed to me that some people I thought I knew well and quite liked do actually hold opinions I’m very uncomfortable with.
 
Strawberry said:
On the 25th May voters in Ireland will go to the polls to decide whether or not to repeal the 8th Amendment to the Irish Constitution. The 8th Amendment is as follows...

"The State acknowledges the right to life of the unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect, and, as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate that right."

If its repealed it will be replaced by legislation allowing for unlimited abortion in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy and from then on in only if the mother's health is at serious risk on the evidence of two doctors, or if there is a severe abnormality in the foetus.

What way would you vote?
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Repeal, but with no time limit for the choice of the mother......ONLY!!!!
 
If it helps, I really like children and they tend much to like me BUT I do not want any of them to be born unwanted. Thus I am pro abortion for any woman wanting to have one as well as supportive of any woman carrying a baby who wants to have the child.
 
fuelair said:
If it helps, I really like children and they tend much to like me BUT I do not want any of them to be born unwanted. Thus I am pro abortion for any woman wanting to have one as well as supportive of any woman carrying a baby who wants to have the child.
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This got me wondering. There seems to be some push back that a woman shouldn't have an abortion for "trivial" reasons, yet to me that is exactly what should be happening. If we have someone who would if they could have an abortion because they are going on holiday in a couple of months and they wanted to wear a bikini on the beach and drink themselves silly, I don;t want that person to have a child!
 
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