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Abortion: My personal experience

Hi, Fox.

First, I wanted to extend my sympathies to your wife, and to you as well. But my heart goes out to her especially, since it is her body and her hormones and her pain. I wish her well.

Second, thank you for sharing this. Abortion is a taboo subject, and those who share are subject to ridicule, as we've seen in this thread. But it's important to share, and you and are your wife are an ideal example, as you're married and judging by your av photo, upstanding citizens. Often we hear about "low-class" women, but unexpected pregnancy can affect anyone with a uterus. You and your wife put a good face on the issue.

Third, I am surprised that it was as easy as it was for you to obtain a medical abortion. I recall hearing that to obtain the pill abortion that a woman had to wait until at least 8 weeks (imagine, waiting during that time). You are fortunate in that regard.

Last, and this isn't addressed to you, but is just a general comment. I don't think abortion, the majority of the time, is a "Choice." It's not Burger King. A choice would mean getting to freely choose between having a baby or not having a baby. Instead, it's rather like asking, "Which do you choose, being shot or being stabbed?" In that instance, a person would probably respond: "I choose neither." I don't know any woman who ever "chose" any abortion. They were forced by circumstances to make a decision that they weren't comfortable with. Finances being the usual reason. And that makes me angry. There's nothing that can really change the way our country is now, but in an ideal world, a woman should be able to say, "Hey, yes, I can afford to do this, even on my own." It breaks my heart that there are women who would love to carry a child to term, if only they had the means to do so. And it makes me sad that even the most loving couples, when using protection, may still have to face making an emotionally wrenching decision.

I hope that one day, Fox, you and your wife will find yourself in fine financial circumstances. And when that day comes, I wish you both the best of luck, with or without children. Thank you for having the courage to share. Love to your wife.
 
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RandFan said:
I would go much further.

Bob, will you see to it that a child born in poverty has quality health care, gets a good education, has sufficient nutrition and grows up in a safe environment?

Somehow I doubt it.
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I'll go even further...

Bob, since the fetus is a "person" to you, when can we expect this "person" to start paying taxes? I mean, if the embryo/fetus is a "person" before it's even born, then surely we can move the line on that whole "adult" thing, too?

Therefore, we need to tax "children/persons/adults" in the womb.

And while we're at it, let's go on and give medical degrees to students who have simply entered medical school. No need to wait for them to finish med school, because they're "potential doctors" and should therefore be treated as doctors.

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MoeFaux said:
Hi, Fox.

First, I wanted to extend my sympathies to your wife, and to you as well. But my heart goes out to her especially, since it is her body and her hormones and her pain. I wish her well.

Second, thank you for sharing this. Abortion is a taboo subject, and those who share are subject to ridicule, as we've seen in this thread. But it's important to share, and you and are your wife are an ideal example, as you're married and judging by your av photo, upstanding citizens. Often we hear about "low-class" women, but unexpected pregnancy can affect anyone with a uterus. You and your wife put a good face on the issue.

Third, I am surprised that it was as easy as it was for you to obtain a medical abortion. I recall hearing that to obtain the pill abortion that a woman had to wait until at least 8 weeks (imagine, waiting during that time). You are fortunate in that regard.

Last, and this isn't addressed to you, but is just a general comment. I don't think abortion, the majority of the time, is a "Choice." It's not Burger King. A choice would mean getting to freely choose between having a baby or not having a baby. Instead, it's rather like asking, "Which do you choose, being shot or being stabbed?" In that instance, a person would probably respond: "I choose neither." I don't know any woman who ever "chose" any abortion. They were forced by circumstances to make a decision that they weren't comfortable with. Finances being the usual reason. And that makes me angry. There's nothing that can really change the way our country is now, but in an ideal world, a woman should be able to say, "Hey, yes, I can afford to do this, even on my own." It breaks my heart that there are women who would love to carry a child to term, if only they had the means to do so. And it makes me sad that even the most loving couples, when using protection, may still have to face making an emotionally wrenching decision.

I hope that one day, Fox, you and your wife will find yourself in fine financial circumstances. And when that day comes, I wish you both the best of luck, with or without children. Thank you for having the courage to share. Love to your wife.
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Bears repeating.
 
ZirconBlue said:
<Stephen Colbert>
Bill's post: Stupid question or stupidest question?
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There are no stupid questions. There are just arrogant ********.

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Edited to properly mask profanity. See Rule 10.
 
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MoeFaux said:
I don't know any woman who ever "chose" any abortion. They were forced by circumstances to make a decision that they weren't comfortable with.
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I think it fair to ask : how many women do you know who have had abortions?
For some women the circumstances are being pregnant when they don't want to be. Nothing to do with finances. They simply do not want to have a child. They use contraception, but it is not 100% effective. They are perfectly comfortable with choosing to have an abortion.
 
kerikiwi said:
I think it fair to ask : how many women do you know who have had abortions?
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Ten, off the top of my head, for certain. I'm sure many more, as well, but I wasn't privy to that information.

kerikiwi said:
For some women the circumstances are being pregnant when they don't want to be. Nothing to do with finances. They simply do not want to have a child. They use contraception, but it is not 100% effective. They are perfectly comfortable with choosing to have an abortion.
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I'm sure that is true. I really wish there were better contraception methods. More methods, and more access. If pregnancies could be planned based on fail-safe birth control that was widely and cheaply available, women could avoid the position entirely, which I believe should be the ideal. Again, my desire is a better choice.
 
Bill Thompson said:
There are no stupid questions. There are just arrogant ********.
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yeah but the MA does not allow us to be that honest to you, so we just point out the stupidity of your questions. But you seem to have undesrstood it anyway :)
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
Do not ever forgot, that you had a precious son or daughter, who could have brought great joy to you (or if not to you, to a very fortunate set of adoptive parents), and who could have made a great contribution to the world. And you chose to kill him or her, rather than give him or her a chance at life.

Some day, you will stand before your maker, with your murdered child's blood dripping from your hands, and you will be held to account for yourself. I do not envy you.

You chose to deal with a difficult situation in the most cowardly and depraved manner available to you, and you arrogantly proclaim it as an act of courage.
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And she *could* have had a miscarriage at any point, or a still birth.

She could have carried the child to full term and developed gestational diabetes, pre-eclampsia (which could have killed both herself and the baby), or died from haemorrhage during pregnancy.



Who made you the judge, jury and executioner?

I personally think you do not have anything nice to say on such a sensitive topic, then you shouldn't have said anything at all.

It has nothing to do with you, it is not your life, nor your body, nor your child.

PS. There is no 'maker'.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
Do not ever forgot, that you had a precious son or daughter...

Tatyana said:
And she *could* have had a miscarriage at any point, or a still birth.
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How many precious sons and daughters die from Bob's nocturnal emissions? Let me guess, lacking a full set of chromosomes sperm are not children. To be a child a cell or mass of cells must have a full set because a half a set could never give rise to a fully functioning human. It can under the right circumstances. Which brings us back to Tatyana's retort. A blastocyst/morula/zygote/embryo/fetus can't give rise to a fully functioning human unless many events transpire. That it CAN be a child doesn't make it a child.

So let's do everything we can to ensure every sperm and every egg develop into people. Which brings me to my next point. Boycott Soylent Green.
 
It annoys me that people don't think that carrying a child to pregnancy isn't a serious medical situation.

Until very recently, both maternal and infant deaths during pregnancy and/or labour were quite high, and still are in developing countries.

It is much better in developed countries, but when things go wrong in pregnancy or labour, they have a tendency to go very wrong, very quickly.

I work in a hospital, I am in and out of labour ward, ITU and NICU.

There are countless tragedies, women bleeding out during and after labour, going into comas and being on life support with renal failure.

If women develop gestational diabetes, they are typically on insulin for life, and that is a life time of medical issues.

The sentiment that 'you could have carried the child to delivery' is a gross misunderstanding of the natural history of pregnancy and child birth.
 
Bob Blaylock said:
I am not the one who has deliberately killed another human being.
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You didn't answer the question. Who made YOU the judge?

You refuse to answer questions so for those following along. You never answered why a blastocyst or zygote is a human being and sperm isn't.
 
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