Abortion In The News

[Luke T.]

From the opinion:



http://www.tourolaw.edu/patch/Roe/index.html

Well, logic dictated to me that the Supreme Court would have to have made an all-or-nothing decision. I also read the opinion and noted the parts you quoted, and it seems to confirm what I thought. They believed abortion to be legal all the way up to delivery.

Tragic.

I guess Supreme Court decisions which followed rolled/will roll that back.

 

[Wrath of the Swarm]

Not everyone. Just the stupid, ignorant, uneducated, blindly stubborn, and set-in-their-ways people.

 

[Luke T.]

Not everyone. Just the stupid, ignorant, uneducated, blindly stubborn, and set-in-their-ways people.

Good luck with that.

 

[Jeff R]

Here's what I mean. Given the advancements in medical technology and change in social attitudes, what possible reason is there for every fifth pregnancy to end in abortion? I don't think it is unreasonable to conclude that abortion is being used as a means of contraception.

No doubt abortion is a means of contraception. Maybe somebody can explain to me what's wrong with that. Not Luke, 'cause his position is very clear, but somebody who is generally in favor of a woman's right to decide whether or not to take a pregnancy to term. What difference does it make why she decides to end her pregnancy? Besides, I don't think that abortion is the primary means of contraception for any but a few very irresponsible or possibly nutty people, and maybe those people shouldn't be having children anyway.

In my book terminating an unwanted pregnancy is a far better option than giving birth to a child that you are unable to provide for and/or properly care for. To any women who have found themselves with an unwanted pregnancy and chose abortion, I say good for you. There's nothing wrong with what you did, and don't let the anti-abortion zealots get to you.

I guess I'm surprised that I'm the first one to say that in a lot of cases abortion may be the next best thing to not getting pregnant in the first place.

 

[CFLarsen]

My wife knows me all too well. The biggest danger for me with this topic is making an enemy of myself. I have always lived to regret my judgmentalism. I don't know if that makes sense to you, but my wife was right to stop me.

....wimp....

Here's what I mean. Given the advancements in medical technology and change in social attitudes, what possible reason is there for every fifth pregnancy to end in abortion? I don't think it is unreasonable to conclude that abortion is being used as a means of contraception.

BEEP! Argument from ignorance.

 

[toddjh]

As for the nosy personal question of why I don't get my tubes tied? I've tried. I've gone to 3 doctors. Each of them have refused. It's not so easy LukeT. I can't get my tubes tied because doctors don't want a "I regret my decision" lawsuit on their hands. They don't want to take away that potential I would change my mind later. The doctors are afraid I'm too young to make such a life altering decision, though nevermind pregnancy and abortion are also life altering. No, I'm having a hard time finding someone who will tie my tubes or Essure me; and even those processes are not gauranteed; every person who has researched voluntary sterilization knows this for a fact.

Yuck. I've been there. All I can say is, keep at it. I went to four doctors trying to get snipped (starting at age 23), and got the same treatment. Then, at my next physical, my regular doc saw all the urology consults in my file and asked what was up. When I told him, he put a nasty note in there about doctors minding their own business, and got me an appointment with the department head, who was very apologetic and did it himself.

So, I got lucky (except for the fact that it didn't take and I get to have it done again on Thursday -- yay!!). One tip I learned after the fact: after a doctor refuses to do it, ask his/her nurse if there's another doctor in the department who might be more open-minded. Also, I assume you're trying to find a doctor that's covered by an insurance plan, but if you're willing to pay out of pocket, Planned Parenthood should be able to hook you up without a problem.

Jeremy

 

[Suddenly]

Well, logic dictated to me that the Supreme Court would have to have made an all-or-nothing decision. I also read the opinion and noted the parts you quoted, and it seems to confirm what I thought. They believed abortion to be legal all the way up to delivery.

Tragic.

I guess Supreme Court decisions which followed rolled/will roll that back.

For the stage subsequent to viability, the State in promoting its interest in the potentiality of human life may, if it chooses, regulate, and even proscribe, abortion except where it is necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother.

It really isn't all or nothing. Different regulations kick in at different stages. Taking the decision narrowly it really only decides that a law making all abortions illegal (excepting life/health threatening situations) is unconstitutional.

 

[Jas]

Yuck. I've been there. All I can say is, keep at it. I went to four doctors trying to get snipped (starting at age 23), and got the same treatment. Then, at my next physical, my regular doc saw all the urology consults in my file and asked what was up. When I told him, he put a nasty note in there about doctors minding their own business, and got me an appointment with the department head, who was very apologetic and did it himself.

So, I got lucky (except for the fact that it didn't take and I get to have it done again on Thursday -- yay!!). One tip I learned after the fact: after a doctor refuses to do it, ask his/her nurse if there's another doctor in the department who might be more open-minded. Also, I assume you're trying to find a doctor that's covered by an insurance plan, but if you're willing to pay out of pocket, Planned Parenthood should be able to hook you up without a problem.

Jeremy

Tell me about it. They won't do it for me, I'm too young (apparently). At the birth control clinic here in town, they told me that they have problems getting it done for women who are 22 and already have three or four kids. Doctor's are just extremely reluctant to do it, msot seeming to be of the opinion that all women secretly want to have kids (or have even more kids, if they've already popped out a few).